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1aspirit
Un messaggio dall'amministratore del tuo gruppoOkay, so this group has turned into... something new through the covid pandemic and political unrest affecting schools. That makes sense. But it also means that it also looks like it increasingly needs some serious administration attention.
I'm going to write up my thoughts quickly and edit as needed. This isn't how I like to introduce changes in a group, but we're only at the start of a bunch of changes. Very little has been decided. Here we go....
Not too long ago, the LibraryThing team expanded the roles of group admins. Manga and Anime Addicts (MAA) was one of the last active groups on LibraryThing. Several people applied or made suggestions for who the admin(s) should be. The last I heard, a few were offered the position, with the intention that the new admins would work as a team to keep our eyes on the group.
I was one of the people offered to administrate here. Unfortunately, I haven't heard from the others.
That's unfortunate because there's been behavior in this group's Talk that needs to be acknowledge by people with the Administer buttons. I don't want to the only one drawing the lines and setting up healthy expectations in the group.
But as the moment someone needs to, let's go over a few major points.
--> Personal attacks are unacceptable. Those are against LT's terms of service. (See "Social features: Freedom of discussion and personal attacks" below the privacy notice.)
I'm old compared to many of the current MAA members and can't always determine what's meant as a personal attack by teens. Other comments are extremely obvious. What matters is what you think it is. When you see a personal attack in Talk, in this group or elsewhere, then please click on "More" below the message to flag it.
Every LT member has the ability to flag message. Do not abuse it; follow the instructions. Tim and the rest of the LT team are known to kick out people who are obviously acting in bad faith on this site. But also, please don't be afraid to report what looks to you as abuse. Mistakes can be counter-flagged just as easily. Four or standing flags (which means flags from at least four accounts) delete the post, which helps them keep this site a decent place for communication.
--> Doxxing and everything like it is extremely unacceptable. Don't share a member's phone number, their school's address, their work supervisor's email, or whatever. Sharing another member's contact information or any details about their personal lives without permission is hostile. The post might be breaking laws or not; either way, it's against the terms of service.
Every LT member has the ability to privately message members of the LT team. Go ahead and reach out to them if you see doxxing or more direct threats.
--> This group is for talking about manga and anime. Discussions go off topic—that's fine—but should mostly center around stuff that's at least looks like manga and anime. Interrupting with a flood of nonsense makes finding on-topic discussion harder, wastes storage space, and can make loading the page harder for no good reason. Create a new topic if you have something related to the group to say. To goof around with random words, create a new group (after looking again at the TOS) or a Discord server or something.
One way or another, I expect there will be a cleanup of this group soon. I'm going to wait a little longer to see what the admin situation will look like. In the meantime, take a look at your own messages and see if maybe want to edit them.Admins can hide or remove a stream of "This message has been deleted by its author" if that helps. (ETA: All that does is change the deletion message. Sorry.)
I'm going to write up my thoughts quickly and edit as needed. This isn't how I like to introduce changes in a group, but we're only at the start of a bunch of changes. Very little has been decided. Here we go....
Not too long ago, the LibraryThing team expanded the roles of group admins. Manga and Anime Addicts (MAA) was one of the last active groups on LibraryThing. Several people applied or made suggestions for who the admin(s) should be. The last I heard, a few were offered the position, with the intention that the new admins would work as a team to keep our eyes on the group.
I was one of the people offered to administrate here. Unfortunately, I haven't heard from the others.
That's unfortunate because there's been behavior in this group's Talk that needs to be acknowledge by people with the Administer buttons. I don't want to the only one drawing the lines and setting up healthy expectations in the group.
But as the moment someone needs to, let's go over a few major points.
--> Personal attacks are unacceptable. Those are against LT's terms of service. (See "Social features: Freedom of discussion and personal attacks" below the privacy notice.)
I'm old compared to many of the current MAA members and can't always determine what's meant as a personal attack by teens. Other comments are extremely obvious. What matters is what you think it is. When you see a personal attack in Talk, in this group or elsewhere, then please click on "More" below the message to flag it.
Every LT member has the ability to flag message. Do not abuse it; follow the instructions. Tim and the rest of the LT team are known to kick out people who are obviously acting in bad faith on this site. But also, please don't be afraid to report what looks to you as abuse. Mistakes can be counter-flagged just as easily. Four or standing flags (which means flags from at least four accounts) delete the post, which helps them keep this site a decent place for communication.
--> Doxxing and everything like it is extremely unacceptable. Don't share a member's phone number, their school's address, their work supervisor's email, or whatever. Sharing another member's contact information or any details about their personal lives without permission is hostile. The post might be breaking laws or not; either way, it's against the terms of service.
Every LT member has the ability to privately message members of the LT team. Go ahead and reach out to them if you see doxxing or more direct threats.
--> This group is for talking about manga and anime. Discussions go off topic—that's fine—but should mostly center around stuff that's at least looks like manga and anime. Interrupting with a flood of nonsense makes finding on-topic discussion harder, wastes storage space, and can make loading the page harder for no good reason. Create a new topic if you have something related to the group to say. To goof around with random words, create a new group (after looking again at the TOS) or a Discord server or something.
One way or another, I expect there will be a cleanup of this group soon. I'm going to wait a little longer to see what the admin situation will look like. In the meantime, take a look at your own messages and see if maybe want to edit them.
2aspirit
Un messaggio dall'amministratore del tuo gruppo
Group Settings
I just want you all to know what this looks like on the admin side.
What kind of group is this?
*Discussion group
Who can join?
*Anyone can join
Who can see group discussions?
*Anyone
Who can post to group discussions?
*Only group members
That last one has changed. Anyone signed up with LibraryThing can join without approval, but as of today, you have to click the button to join before posting.
I just want you all to know what this looks like on the admin side.
What kind of group is this?
*Discussion group
Who can join?
*Anyone can join
Who can see group discussions?
*Anyone
Who can post to group discussions?
*Only group members
That last one has changed. Anyone signed up with LibraryThing can join without approval, but as of today, you have to click the button to join before posting.
3Covid_Karin
I see- Well first of all things CONGRATS!!! Even though I was hoping to be admin I'm glad we have someone who has been around for a while. If you could also put something about race and online dating that would be great :D
4Drystol
>3 Covid_Karin: I agree with Covid :)
6Covid_Karin
>5 farun: If only you knew-
8aspirit
>3 Covid_Karin: Thank you! You might still become an admin. Let's talk a bit in private messages, if you don't mind.
>4 Drystol: There's a bunch of guidelines to be worked out.
Something about race... like, don't make assumptions about the race of another group member, racist "jokes" aren't okay, slurs aren't acceptable when they're used for characters or creators (and are against the site's TOS when used for LT members),...?
I'm... trying to get my mind about this being used as a dating site. Maybe that shouldn't be surprising, but... how... is this happening? Are people using PMs? Is this out in the open in Talk?
My first thoughts about dating here is that it doesn't matter if couples or whatever are talking about relationship stuff on their own profiles. Using the forums for planning dates or sexting is not okay. And no should be soliciting others here; that quickly gets gross. No one should have to worry about creepy messages on a book cataloguing site.
This site isn't Tinder, Grindr, or anything other than a place for people who like books. (We like shows, too, because they're animated manga with sound. That's awesome.)
>4 Drystol: There's a bunch of guidelines to be worked out.
Something about race... like, don't make assumptions about the race of another group member, racist "jokes" aren't okay, slurs aren't acceptable when they're used for characters or creators (and are against the site's TOS when used for LT members),...?
I'm... trying to get my mind about this being used as a dating site. Maybe that shouldn't be surprising, but... how... is this happening? Are people using PMs? Is this out in the open in Talk?
My first thoughts about dating here is that it doesn't matter if couples or whatever are talking about relationship stuff on their own profiles. Using the forums for planning dates or sexting is not okay. And no should be soliciting others here; that quickly gets gross. No one should have to worry about creepy messages on a book cataloguing site.
This site isn't Tinder, Grindr, or anything other than a place for people who like books. (We like shows, too, because they're animated manga with sound. That's awesome.)
9Covid_Karin
>8 aspirit: Of course I don't mind :)
I know it's hard to believe but trust me. I read every single of our 3000's+ messages and it's kinda common. They usually just come and go though. Also could you update our group photo. It's kinda outdated :/
I know it's hard to believe but trust me. I read every single of our 3000's+ messages and it's kinda common. They usually just come and go though. Also could you update our group photo. It's kinda outdated :/
10Drystol
>9 Covid_Karin: It's not even necessarily our group either. I've seen it a lot more in other groups on here.
>8 aspirit: Is there a chance I would be able to apply as well?
>8 aspirit: Is there a chance I would be able to apply as well?
11Covid_Karin
Bro we've been mega inactive lately
12Drystol
>11 Covid_Karin: Yeah lol
13aspirit
Un messaggio dall'amministratore del tuo gruppo
Behold! A new group image!
I'll look later for generic characters that don't have the same skin color and maybe suggest one more genre. This is just what I could put together quickly.
By the way, anyone who wants to design a different image is welcome to. We can vote for the next one.
I'll look later for generic characters that don't have the same skin color and maybe suggest one more genre. This is just what I could put together quickly.
By the way, anyone who wants to design a different image is welcome to. We can vote for the next one.
14aspirit
>9 Covid_Karin: "I read every single of our 3000's+ messages and it's kinda common."
That's impressive. I'm going to be really transparent here: I zone out when the messages don't make sense to me.
>10 Drystol: I'll also message you. Probably tomorrow, because it's late at night where I am now.
That's impressive. I'm going to be really transparent here: I zone out when the messages don't make sense to me.
>10 Drystol: I'll also message you. Probably tomorrow, because it's late at night where I am now.
15Covid_Karin
>14 aspirit: Yeah I just wanted to know more about our history and stuff. You know?
16Drystol
>14 aspirit: Have you messaged me yet? I'm not positive how to check so I want to make sure that I didn't miss anything.
17aspirit
>16 Drystol: I'm so sorry. I wrote a response, but it did not go through. You should have an alert for it now.
18aspirit
Un messaggio dall'amministratore del tuo gruppoAnnouncing a new group admin!
Covid_Karin has joined me on the Admin panel.
Covid_Karin has joined me on the Admin panel.
21aspirit
>20 farun: What do we do?
✧ Post adminy messages! ✧ Replace the group profile image! ✧ Look at notices saying new members have joined! ✧
It's all very exciting. (-ᴗ･)✧
We're actually talking about what we'll be doing. Ideally, the role is nothing more than a title. Our names show up on the group page and we keep up with the talk with an eye or two watching for discussions that might need a nudge. But I think it's best to figure out what to do when things get exciting in a "Hm, maybe we should lock membership for a while" sort of way.
So while we're making plans, what would you like the group admins to do?
✧ Post adminy messages! ✧ Replace the group profile image! ✧ Look at notices saying new members have joined! ✧
It's all very exciting. (-ᴗ･)✧
We're actually talking about what we'll be doing. Ideally, the role is nothing more than a title. Our names show up on the group page and we keep up with the talk with an eye or two watching for discussions that might need a nudge. But I think it's best to figure out what to do when things get exciting in a "Hm, maybe we should lock membership for a while" sort of way.
So while we're making plans, what would you like the group admins to do?
22aspirit
To see what group admins can do, take a look at the site owner's post in the New Features group.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/329652
https://www.librarything.com/topic/329652
23turtleburpel_alt
>13 aspirit: what about that one anime with that African American characters? I forgot the title but it’s on my watchlist I heard it’s good and funny
24Covid_Karin
>23 turtleburpel_alt: Is the anime all African Americans? If so that seems pretty neat cause I've never heard of that before
26Covid_Karin
>25 farun: Oh yeah! I've seen that but I've never watched it.
27aspirit
The Boondocks is a U.S. production from a South Korean animated studios. The show was adapted from an American comic.
Just in case it doesn't show up on anime sites—that's why.
Just in case it doesn't show up on anime sites—that's why.
28luciferzap7
just saying we have 666 members rn. kinda coo ig
29Drystol
>28 luciferzap7: yesssss
31luciferzap7
heyyy, now we have 669 members, ;)
32Drystol
>31 luciferzap7: lmfao alright
33luciferzap7
hey im leaving librarything, ill respond to emails if you have my email. ill see y'all on the other side
35Drystol
>33 luciferzap7: nooooooo whyyyy
36cheesesticks
we miss you
37luciferzap7
im back ig
39luciferzap7
BAHAHAHA
40imissyouem
>39 luciferzap7: seems like i come back every month
41aspirit
☆☆☆ Query ☆☆☆
Does any other adult with a good reputation around LibraryThing want to be a group admin here?
Does any other adult with a good reputation around LibraryThing want to be a group admin here?
42Drystol
>41 aspirit: not an adult but i'll try again
43aspirit
Un messaggio dall'amministratore del tuo gruppoThe following is a repeat to help everyone in this group remember.
The LibraryThing team, which is the small group of people including the owner who's running this site, wants all groups to follow the site rules. That means no off-topic threads created. That means every thread in this group should include (polite!) talk about anime, manga, or related things.
Site members who do not follow the TOS may be suspended. Some members of this group might already have received warnings privately. Note that a group admin does not have the power to remove anyone from the entire site, only from the group. However, several people who are responsible for running LibraryThing do have the power to close accounts temporarily or permanently. They also have ways of blocking people who are repeatedly kicked out.
So, what's expected of you as a LibraryThing member? Discuss the topic of whatever Talk-based group you're in, remember kindness, and don't use more than one account per person solely for Talk or Messages.
The LibraryThing team, which is the small group of people including the owner who's running this site, wants all groups to follow the site rules. That means no off-topic threads created. That means every thread in this group should include (polite!) talk about anime, manga, or related things.
Site members who do not follow the TOS may be suspended. Some members of this group might already have received warnings privately. Note that a group admin does not have the power to remove anyone from the entire site, only from the group. However, several people who are responsible for running LibraryThing do have the power to close accounts temporarily or permanently. They also have ways of blocking people who are repeatedly kicked out.
So, what's expected of you as a LibraryThing member? Discuss the topic of whatever Talk-based group you're in, remember kindness, and don't use more than one account per person solely for Talk or Messages.
44Drystol
>43 aspirit: How do we create new groups?
45aspirit
>44 Drystol: There's a link for that in >1 aspirit: but...
keep in mind that any new group that looks (or is) the same as previously-existing and currently-active groups will almost certainly be deleted. The restriction includes groups that have nothing to do with either books or library management, because the site has an "off-topic" group already. Groups that appear to be created only for personal use are also deleted by the site admins.
keep in mind that any new group that looks (or is) the same as previously-existing and currently-active groups will almost certainly be deleted. The restriction includes groups that have nothing to do with either books or library management, because the site has an "off-topic" group already. Groups that appear to be created only for personal use are also deleted by the site admins.
49aspirit
>48 Drystol: don't know. I removed myself as an admin last December and haven't been around LibraryThing much in the past several months.
Covid_Karen is the remaining group admin. I don't know if she's currently responding to messages, but you might ask her about MAA issues by PM, since she doesn't seem to be active within the group.
Covid_Karen is the remaining group admin. I don't know if she's currently responding to messages, but you might ask her about MAA issues by PM, since she doesn't seem to be active within the group.
50bootyslayr
Please give me admin I am a good boy, I am a life scout in boy scouts, top band percussionist and have all a's and b's, i luv anime and manga
51Randomz
>50 bootyslayr: You literally just joined. Why would anyone give such privilege to someone who they don't even know? Also, you're just lowering your chances by asking.
Considering you're begging, I don't even think you're responsible enough to even handle such privilege anyway. Educate yourself smh.
Considering you're begging, I don't even think you're responsible enough to even handle such privilege anyway. Educate yourself smh.
53Bazlisprout
wassup
56Covid_Karin
>49 aspirit: Sorry, I honestly forgot all about this.
57Covid_Karin
>54 1hope: I am now!
58Randomz
>57 Covid_Karin: omg welcome back
61Sxkurablossom
>57 Covid_Karin: OMG IM SUPER LATE
but heyy ive wanted to meet you for a while now :)
but heyy ive wanted to meet you for a while now :)
62undead_person15
Questo utente è stato eliminato perché considerato spam.
63undead_person15
Questo utente è stato eliminato perché considerato spam.
64ADumbNut
>63 undead_person15: hey, welcome to our group!
65Moicah
>64 ADumbNut: Welcome indeed.
66chaotic.cacophony
Questo messaggio è stato cancellato dall'autore.
681hope
>66 chaotic.cacophony: how did u get admin 😮
69chaotic.cacophony
>68 1hope: ok so like aspirit said at the beginning of this thread, there were a few people who were on this group a couple years ago that were offered admin in early 2022. i was one of these people i just didn't see it until recently
71chaotic.cacophony
>67 Isaa_Wach: yep! sent u an invitation :)
72Pandabearlovesyou
Happy New Year!!
73Randomz
Un messaggio dall'amministratore del tuo gruppoAlright, this group is well, kind of a mess. Lots of things are off-topic and well, I don't think that's a good thing. I honestly want this group to be a discussion about manga and anime in general, sharing proxies too because to be fair, most people found this group and site here through those proxies threads and the 3000+ message topic right?
So well, I'll try to enforce the things in >1 aspirit:.
Oh yeah, don't make unnecessary topics as we probably won't need them, try and make topics related to anime and manga, maybe proxies too since like... most people possibly found this through the 3000+ message topic "My school has everything blocked :( and i cant find either a manga ebook site or animesite Help?" or something along the lines of that. You can also make a topic of trying to engage the members of this group like the TPBM (MAAA ver.) topic, or just continue pre-existing ones if they start to get full (when it's like around 800 messages, probably make a new topic).
For off-topic conversations, I recommend joining this group: https://www.librarything.com/ngroups/24105/Teenthing if you want to talk to fellow teens or https://www.librarything.com/ngroups/2756/Off-topic for general off-topic things.
So well, I'll try to enforce the things in >1 aspirit:.
Oh yeah, don't make unnecessary topics as we probably won't need them, try and make topics related to anime and manga, maybe proxies too since like... most people possibly found this through the 3000+ message topic "My school has everything blocked :( and i cant find either a manga ebook site or animesite Help?" or something along the lines of that. You can also make a topic of trying to engage the members of this group like the TPBM (MAAA ver.) topic, or just continue pre-existing ones if they start to get full (when it's like around 800 messages, probably make a new topic).
For off-topic conversations, I recommend joining this group: https://www.librarything.com/ngroups/24105/Teenthing if you want to talk to fellow teens or https://www.librarything.com/ngroups/2756/Off-topic for general off-topic things.
74Isaa_Wach
>73 Randomz: youre more strict than me bru but i aint complaining
and more active
and more active
76Isaa_Wach
>75 Randomz: i forgot to tell you this im so sorry
80chaotic.cacophony
does anyone know how to remove an admin? (i was thinking we could remove littlebodybigspiders since kat got banned on there lol)
831hope
Un messaggio dall'amministratore del tuo gruppoHi guys, it has come to our attention that recently there have been people joining with ill intent as well as admins handing out bans for unreasonable actions. So we've decided to implement a 3 strike system, it's basically what it sounds, break the rules 3 times and you get a ban. I've also noticed there isn't really a distinct list of rules and i don't think anyone really goes through these messages to really check for them, so we might work on that in the future. The account that will be handing out the strikes and bans is the_council (https://www.librarything.com/profile/the_council), the account will be shared with all the admins. Any complaints or reports should be sent to the account and not our mains. Overall just remember to have fun which I assume is the reason this group was created :D
86chaotic.cacophony
>83 1hope: the_council is now an admin btw
871hope
>86 chaotic.cacophony: yipeee
881hope
Un messaggio dall'amministratore del tuo gruppoHELLO SO QUICK MESSAGE STOP MAKING ALT ACCOUNTS IT GOES AGAINST THE TOS OF LT!!!!
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i got a message from kristi if you guys didn't know is the member support informing me about this. unfortunately this would mark the 2nd (as far as i know/when i joined) time an official from LT had to intervene with what we are doing. not a good look...
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i got a message from kristi if you guys didn't know is the member support informing me about this. unfortunately this would mark the 2nd (as far as i know/when i joined) time an official from LT had to intervene with what we are doing. not a good look...
89Randomz
Un messaggio dall'amministratore del tuo gruppoI added some rules to the group description me and 1hope discussed making these to make moderation for rule violation more clearer, plus it would be easier to classify rule breakers (and so that people won't violate the rules). Check them out if you haven't.
If you need the definition of Rule Sharks, here it is:
Rule Sharks
The term simply means to utilize the rules of a game, group, or system, for the sake of entertainment, self gain, or pettiness. These are people that do things that are close to rule breaking. They do obnoxious things simply because 'it's not in the rules.'
If you need the definition of Rule Sharks, here it is:
Rule Sharks
The term simply means to utilize the rules of a game, group, or system, for the sake of entertainment, self gain, or pettiness. These are people that do things that are close to rule breaking. They do obnoxious things simply because 'it's not in the rules.'
90chaotic.cacophony
Un messaggio dall'amministratore del tuo gruppowe hit 1000 members!!!
91Owltherian
Heh, we hit it a while ago
92Yuuki_TheMarshmallow
>89 Randomz: I missed you
93Sung_Jin-Woo
Questo membro è stato sospeso dal sito.
94Sung_Jin-Woo
Questo membro è stato sospeso dal sito.
95An_avarage_person
Questo membro è stato sospeso dal sito.
96An_avarage_person
Questo membro è stato sospeso dal sito.
98Owltherian
i think so...nobody should share their school + that's kind of um- very personal
99Sxkurablossom
lmfao
100Sung_Jin-Woo
Questo membro è stato sospeso dal sito.
102Owltherian
possibly :)
103Sung_Jin-Woo
Questo membro è stato sospeso dal sito.
104Owltherian
>103 Sung_Jin-Woo: 1. Its not about you. 2. Leave 1hope alone.
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