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The Four Thousand, the Eight Hundred (2015)

di Greg Egan

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Camille is desperate to escape her home on colonized asteroid Vesta, journeying through space in a small cocoon pod covertly and precariously attached to a cargo ship. Anna is a newly appointed port director on asteroid Ceres, intrigued by the causes that have led so-called riders like Camille to show up at her post in search of asylum. Conditions on Vesta are quickly deteriorating - for one group of people in particular. The original founders agreed to split profits equally, but the Sivadier syndicate contributed intellectual property rather than more valued tangible goods. Now the rest of the populace wants payback. As Camille travels closer to Ceres, it seems ever more likely that Vesta will demand the other asteroid stop harboring its fugitives. - inside front cover.… (altro)
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Bleh. Greg Egan, who I normally love for the hardest of hard sci-fi, decided to write the worst kind of sci-fi: something with a 'preachy' message about some political issue of the modern day world, loosely garbed in a story. Think of the worst of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

There was no interesting science, shallow characters, and nothing but a pretty transparent allegory to current refugee/immigration issues.

I'm still giving it three stars because it was short and I tend to love Greg Egan stories, but otherwise it would be lower. ( )
  octal | Jan 1, 2021 |
What a surprisingly fun read! It looks like I've neglected this author for far too long.

This novella was full of sharp prose and even sharper ideas, turning the old ethical quandary of the many and the few into a pretty harrowing conflict.

These are just people whose ancestors may or may not have profited by intellectual capitalism, and yet the modern society has decided to culturally and lawfully punish the current innocents. What happens later is nothing less than a fight for doing the right thing against heavy ethical scales. All choices become bad ones, and how this gets resolved is quite poignant.

Hard SF? Yes, but it doesn't even feel like it. It feels like a great story that should be studied from any field of literature. Great characters? Absolutely. I feel almost as if it was happening now, and perhaps it is.

Think of the amazingly oppressive social and economic stigma put on Germany and the innocents who had never been a part of the war. This story is on this high level, and I applaud. Greg Egan is a smart man with one hell of an ethical heart. :)

Thanks goes to Netgalley for this ARC! ( )
  bradleyhorner | Jun 1, 2020 |
A good short novella set in a universe that I'd love to read more stories in. It deals with the classic question of when all the choices are bad what choice do you make? ( )
  Cataloger623 | Sep 22, 2017 |
After reading the latest Egan’s work, I got thinking about the Caribbean Islands. I understand that the Caribbean Islands were discovered by successive explorers from Europe. I understand that Slaves from Africa were taken to these Islands as were White Indentured Workers, a polite name for White Slaves, by the people that had purchased Estates on these Islands. In this process the Indigenous peoples of these Islands the Carib Indians were to all intents and purposes wiped out, so for people of African descent to claim that they have a right to present day Islands is a nonsense. Drawing a parallel with the two factions in Egan’s work, I do not deny it benefited some people, but don't kid ourselves that it boosted the living standards of the ordinary people. This myth was invented back in the 50's or 60's by some Caribbean professor to give those of African descent a sense of grievance against those that imported their ancestors, mind you he stopped short of saying that it was their fellow Africans that enslaved them in the first place. I suspect the feeling of distrust is true of all Countries, it’s well known and it’s called Xenophobia. That’s what a stake in Egan’s piece using the trappings of SF. I’m not familiar with the immigration's issues regarding Australia (Greg Egan’s home country), but I’m sure they must not be very different than the ones facing the Caribbean back in the day. The Sivadier minority on Vesta in Egan’s work is just a metaphor for other minorities trying to access better living conditions. I don't go a day without a negative news story about Muslim people in the news. It is constant. There is a definite issue of race at the moment, though I do agree that is not all of it. People seem to prefer EU to non-EU, and an American non-EU to a Pakistani non-EU person. Though it’s true that the hostility has widened now and it seems to be going towards other countries even in Portugal. Questioning whether the volume and strategy of immigration is the right one, is very, very different from saying go home. I think the saddest part of the last 60 years in Europe is the flux that most families live in. Everyone is moving around, unless you are too poor or move or rich enough to stay put. No-one has roots, and if they did they’d be unrecognisable now compared to, say, 30 years ago. I think the oldest trick in the book is claiming that people are 'scapegoating' immigrants when really the concept of immigration to the European country as understood now, only really began post war and has always been unpopular. People don't really care whether immigrants are Polish or Bangladeshi, black or white, are coming to work or live on benefits, in all honesty it's never been that popular an idea. People didn't want their neighborhoods transformed, they didn't want to have their noses rubbed in diversity, they didn't want the white population of a major European city to become a minority and they didn't want middle class entertainers and journalists who have joined the white flight exodus to excoriate them, almost simply for being white. Everyone who has been a student of European history knows that’s not the way to go. Nazi race ideology, master race and all that. They classed Poles and other Slavs as “untermenschen”, close to animals.

Obviously there is precious little to be done about it now, because the elite were never prepared to act on the public concern that was expressed and for a long time people hoped things wouldn't get worse much like the frog in a pot of cold water over the fire.

What Egan did was to put this theme into an exceptional science fictional milieu and make it work. It’s not your usual Egan mind you. His other books have been some of my favourites ever, but his short stories are the hardest science fiction around. Nobody else has explored ideas of quantum mechanics intersecting with biology and humanity like he does. I think in this story what we have is Egan going just for the Humanities and also making it work.

Greg Egan remains one of the few writers doing exceptional SF in this day and age. ( )
  antao | Jun 3, 2017 |
Ce roman court de Greg Egan se déroule en parallèle sur deux astéroïdes qui donnent leurs noms au titre de cet ouvrage. En cela, il se rapproche fortement du roman Les dépossédés d'Ursulla Le Guin qui se déroulait sur deux lunes. Les deux ouvrages, séparés dans leurs écritures de plus de quarante ans, mettent similairement en opposition les sociétés en place dans les deux planètes. Mais autant Ursulla Le Guin parvenait à développer suffisamment son propos dans son roman pour en faire une oeuvre majeure de la science-fiction, autant Greg Egan, dans le format court qu'il a choisi, souffre énormément de la comparaison avec son aînée. Il en résulte un roman court certes intéressant mais assez mineur dans le genre. Une petite déception au regard de ce que cet auteur nous a habitué à produire, notamment sur le format court. ( )
  Patangel | Mar 30, 2017 |
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Camille is desperate to escape her home on colonized asteroid Vesta, journeying through space in a small cocoon pod covertly and precariously attached to a cargo ship. Anna is a newly appointed port director on asteroid Ceres, intrigued by the causes that have led so-called riders like Camille to show up at her post in search of asylum. Conditions on Vesta are quickly deteriorating - for one group of people in particular. The original founders agreed to split profits equally, but the Sivadier syndicate contributed intellectual property rather than more valued tangible goods. Now the rest of the populace wants payback. As Camille travels closer to Ceres, it seems ever more likely that Vesta will demand the other asteroid stop harboring its fugitives. - inside front cover.

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