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Talks and Dialogues, Saanen 1982

di Jiddu Krishnamurti

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1. 1ST PUBLIC TALK 11TH JULY 1982
Sirs, we were asking what makes our life so broken up inwardly? What is the root of it, what is the cause of it? If you find the cause then it is simple to dispel it - you understand? if I find the cause of my disease then it can be cured, or may not be cured...So I discover that all my life is based on thinking. My gods are the product of my thinking, the rituals - everything is based on thought - right?...I see that thought has created nationalism, obviously. Thought has created god - go slowly, you may not agree with this. Thought has created all the rituals, the symbols of religion, the robes, the non-robes, the wanting to put on a robe of a different colour, it is all the product of thinking. So is there a causeless way of living?

2. 2ND PUBLIC TALK 13TH JULY 1982
And as we said the day before yesterday, we have divided, broken up life...We said: what is the origin of all this division? - in ourselves and in the world? In ourselves being our relationship with each other, with the world, and the colossal, almost destructive separatism in the world. We said is it thought? Is thought the origin of this division, of this fragmentation in our life? Is it thought, because that is the only thing we have? We have lived on thought, all our activities are based on thought, all the armaments, the wars, the brutality, the vulgarity, the hatred, all that is based on thought. So we are asking: is thought the cause of this division? Is thought in itself divisive?
3. 3RD PUBLIC TALK 15TH JULY 1982
An intelligence beyond cause. Is there a way of observing without a cause? Intelligence has no cause. Thought has created disorder in the world...How do I look at myself without a motive? When I look at myself without a motive, is there myself? How do you face this fact? With a motive? With a cause?..The observation of this fact, which is myself, without any kind of reason, motive, is that possible?
4. 4TH PUBLIC TALK 18TH JULY 1982
What is it that we human beings are trying to become?... "I am this but I will take centuries to become that." All this implies time...Now as we said the other day, intelligence has no cause, as love has no cause...The movement of the cause to bring about effect is time. Right? So where there is a cause there is time...I am lonely, which is a terrible fear and anxiety and ache and the effect of that is isolation, more and more isolation... Is thought the instrument of enquiry into such a problem?..When you listen to sound, like music, it is a sound. Can you listen to that sound without naming who wrote it, who composed it? Just to listen...We were asking the other day: what is intelligence? We were saying intelligence is not the product of thought, it is not put together by thought...So to look without any movement of thought. That is, to give complete, total energy to observe the jewel that you have caught, which is the cause. Where there is a cause there is an end to the effect, and to the cause itself, naturally.

5. 5TH PUBLIC TALK 20TH JULY 1982
Now what takes place when you see something majestic, like these mountains around one? What takes place in you, in each of us? For that single second, or perhaps for some longer period, for that moment the immensity of that pushes away all our problems, all our conflicts, all our unhappiness, for that single instant in the majesty of that great mountain you cease to be, for a second - right?
That is, when your thought and all the implications of thought, and all the things that thought has put together have completely gone for a second. It is not there because something externally has impressed you so enormously you forget yourself. Right?

6. 6TH PUBLIC TALK 22ND JULY 1982
And we talked about human consciousness. That is, our life which is based, which is the result of our accumulated experiences, incidents, beliefs, anxieties, loneliness and so on, which makes up the whole content of our consciousness. Our consciousness is not individual because our consciousness is the rest of mankind. All human beings suffer, even the most uneducated, ignorant, living in a small village or town, he also suffers, which is the common lot of mankind. When one observes this non-verbally, not as an idea but actually then one sees one's consciousness is not a particular consciousness. It is the consciousness of all mankind, therefore your consciousness, with all its content is the consciousness of all humanity, therefore you are actually, when you observe, you are the rest of mankind. You are not actually an individual.
That is our conditioning, our tradition, our education and our religious beliefs, that we are separate souls, that our brains are separate, which is totally absurd if you examine it. Our brains are the result of great evolution, time. It is not a particular individual consciousness. There is no individual thought. Thought again is the common ground of all mankind. So there is no individual thought, or individual isolated existence.
The brain as it is now, our brain, is limited, conditioned by vast experience of millenia. Our brains are the result of accumulated knowledge, from books, from the prophets, from all the psychologists of the past, present and future. Our brain is shaped, conditioned, therefore limited. And that brain can never, as it is now, uncover the limitless, the enquiry into the whole universe. The scientists are exploring the universe, through telescopes, through various forms of satellites and so on. It is all the activity of thought.

7. 1ST PUBLIC QUESTION & ANSWER MEETING 25TH JULY 1982
1st QUESTION: Can one slow down the ageing process of the mind? Or is the deterioration of the mind inevitable?
And the question is: is it possible for the brain not to deteriorate? And we said, conflict is one of the factors of deterioration, strain, pressure, the urge to achieve, the urge to become something, psychologically, all these are factors of conflict. Now we have observed the whole movement of violence, which is one of the major factors of conflict, factors in which conflict is involved. Right? Now can this conflict, psychologically, inwardly, end? Please ask yourself, go into it. Let's go into it again carefully, because one can see any machinery which is in perpetual movement, however well oiled but constantly moving, must wear down. And one of the factors is that thought, thought is perpetually active. Right? Now can thought, which is chattering all the time, creating pictures, all that - can thought come to an end in observing itself in action?

2nd QUESTION: How can one face an incurable disease with all the physical pain and agony that's involved?
So as long as we have an image, as long as the process of thought, which is constantly creating the image and giving life to that image, there must be pain. Right? This is a fact. Then one asks, can that pain end, which means, can one live in this life without any image? Sir, this is not an intellectual conundrum, a puzzle - this is our life. "I am British", or Indian, or whatever it is. And it is very important to hold to that image. Any slur on that image I get violent, and pain follows and so on. Can one live a life without any image whatsoever? Right? You think it out.

8. 2ND PUBLIC QUESTION & ANSWER MEETING 26TH JULY 1982
1st QUESTION: My son died three years ago and so did my husband. I find it extremely hard to let go of the memory of their utter desperation. There must be a way, perhaps you may know it. I have come a long distance and found help listening to your talks - could you speak about death and detachment, please.
2nd QUESTION: How do you pose a fundamental question? Is holding, observing a question, a thought, is it a thought process?
9. 3RD PUBLIC QUESTION & ANSWER MEETING 27TH JULY 1982
1st QUESTION: Is the seeing and listening the same seeing and listening we all know? Or does it imply the awakening of a new perception? And how can we be sure that thought has not crept in more subtly?
3rd QUESTION: You speak about bringing about a new generation - I speak about it! It is necessary to bring about a new generation, not 'you speak about it'. It is said, that it is necessary to bring about a new generation, will this happen by individuals transforming themselves, which seems almost impossible, or can the change of only a few affect the total human consciousness.
4th QUESTION: I have been following a spiritual leader and it has helped me. But after listening to you I felt what you say is right and I have left the poor old guru I was following. (He doesn't say that.) (Laughter) Sorry!. (Laughter) But after listening to you I felt what you say is right and I have left the guru I was following. Now I feel lost without guidance. What do you say?
5th QUESTION: Is there something sacred in life? Is it possible for all of us to come to that? Is this God?'
6th QUESTION: What preparation can I give my children for today's world, what should be the meaning and focus of education? ( )
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