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1yhoitink
For years, I have been fascinated with Eleonore of Aquitaine, the 12th century woman who is the only woman ever to be both queen of France and England. The fascination started when I was still a kid and read a book called 'De gouden dolk' (the golden dagger) by Thea Beckman. This is a book about the crusades which has Eleonore in a supporting role. Since then, I've read many books about her, including Alison Weir's biography about her.
Anyway, yesterday I found out I was a descendant of hers :-) Thanks to the website Medieval Lands, a website that documents European nobility based on primary records, I was able to trace the ancestors of the dukes of Brabant to her. I am a descendant of two bastard sons of the dukes of Brabant.
To say that I am very happy is an understatement :-) Of course, I will now re-read every book I own about her!!!
Anyway, yesterday I found out I was a descendant of hers :-) Thanks to the website Medieval Lands, a website that documents European nobility based on primary records, I was able to trace the ancestors of the dukes of Brabant to her. I am a descendant of two bastard sons of the dukes of Brabant.
To say that I am very happy is an understatement :-) Of course, I will now re-read every book I own about her!!!
2royalhistorian
Do you have the Dutch biography on Eleonor that was published last year? See my library.
4reconditereader
I like A Proud Taste for Scarlet and Miniver, even though it's a kid's book. (-:,
5myshelves
That's exciting. Eleanor is one of my favorites too. Amazing woman!
Through which of her children are you a descendant?
Through which of her children are you a descendant?
6yhoitink
#5 myshelves (nice account name btw)
I'm a descendant of her daughter Marie of France -> Marie of Champagne -> Margarite of Flanders -> Guy of Dampierre -> Margaret of Flanders -> John II Count of Brabant and then on to his bastard son Jan of Wijfliet, who has numerous descendants in Tilburg, a town in the south of the Netherlands.
I'm a descendant of her daughter Marie of France -> Marie of Champagne -> Margarite of Flanders -> Guy of Dampierre -> Margaret of Flanders -> John II Count of Brabant and then on to his bastard son Jan of Wijfliet, who has numerous descendants in Tilburg, a town in the south of the Netherlands.
7myshelves
yhoitink,
Cool. When you find something like that, you have a great excuse for buying tons (more tons?) of history books and biographies.
Not surprising that Jean II's wife was also descended from Eleanor. Did he acknowledge Jan? Was Jan born before or after the marriage to Margaret?
Hmmm, I have ancestors from the Netherlands. I don't think any of them were from Tilburg, but maybe I should start checking maps.
P.S. I didn't know about "Talk" when I picked the name. I wanted to catalog books, and was going for something easy for me to remember.
Cool. When you find something like that, you have a great excuse for buying tons (more tons?) of history books and biographies.
Not surprising that Jean II's wife was also descended from Eleanor. Did he acknowledge Jan? Was Jan born before or after the marriage to Margaret?
Hmmm, I have ancestors from the Netherlands. I don't think any of them were from Tilburg, but maybe I should start checking maps.
P.S. I didn't know about "Talk" when I picked the name. I wanted to catalog books, and was going for something easy for me to remember.
8yhoitink
#7 myshelves,
I think you misunderstood my overview, every -> is a new generation. So John II is the legitimate son of Margaret of Flanders (and her husband John I count of Brabant). John II was himself married to Margaret of York, daughter of King Edward I of England and Eleonor of Castille. They were married in 1290. John II had a mistress named Elsbeen of Wijfliet. I do not know when their (illegitimate) son John of Wijfliet was born but it must have been shortly after 1300.
Interesting that you have ancestors from the Netherlands. You may want to check out my Dutch genealogy website. Feel free to contact me personally if I can help you.
I think you misunderstood my overview, every -> is a new generation. So John II is the legitimate son of Margaret of Flanders (and her husband John I count of Brabant). John II was himself married to Margaret of York, daughter of King Edward I of England and Eleonor of Castille. They were married in 1290. John II had a mistress named Elsbeen of Wijfliet. I do not know when their (illegitimate) son John of Wijfliet was born but it must have been shortly after 1300.
Interesting that you have ancestors from the Netherlands. You may want to check out my Dutch genealogy website. Feel free to contact me personally if I can help you.
9heatherchoplin
I am fascinated by her, too. It started in high school when I played the role of Alais in the play, "The Lion In Winter". Alais was a French princess, raised by Eleanor when she was married to the King of France. Alais became the mistress of Eleanor's next husband, King Henry Plantagenet of England. Henry had originally wanted Alais to be married to his and Eleanor's son, John (of Magna Carta fame) but then fell in love with her himself. Eleanor had wanted Alais to marry another of their sons, Richard (Richard the Lion Hearted). Quite an interesting mix of family relationships! Don't know if she actually married any of them. She sort of disappears from the history books.
Heather C.
Heather C.
