the new list format

I don't know if this qualifies as a bug.
https://www.librarything.com/list/44122/TilleyHowland/Western-Canon

I started this list a few days back and have added to it- as late as yesterday. came in here today, to add more and found that format had changed. finally figured out how to work it and began adding items- then moving them into correct slots by date. they are not staying. (at this point I'm afraid to look at my previous list as it will be too much work to re-do the chronological order of Greece and Rome if they have shifted.)

I moved Kepler into its correct location at least twice. I've tried hitting refresh after moving to make it stick- that isn't working. Ignatius keeps moving- his two works are now separated on list and by date. other works that I entered in correct order are jumping about. I've moved Chaucer 2x- he won't stay. help. plz&thanku

>1 TilleyHowland: I don't know if this qualifies as a bug.

I observe something very strange about your list. I don't know if this has anything to do with your sorting problem or not, but I will mention it.

As I view your list, the first item is the Epic of Gilgamesh. I have it, and the list correctly says I do.

The second item is The Book of the Dead. I have it (the Budge edition). But the copy in your list does not show a check mark indicating I own it. It does not show a cover. And it shows only seven members owning the book. There are more than 2500 people with the Budge edition, and there are other editions.

The third item is the Rigveda. Which shows only one member owning it. Naturally it doesn't show that I own it. :-)

Fourth is the Avesta. Five members. Fifth is the I Ching. 53 members. Sixth is the Brahmanas. One member.

Now I know you aren't the only one with #8, the Old Testament. :-) It's called the Hebrew Bible! And I have two editions of the Hebrew, plus the English Tanakh edition (Jewish translation, so the Hebrew Bible only) as well as Christian editions, and the LXX translation (Greek, plus two English translations). (Of course, the date should be more like 1000-100 B.C.E., but that's another issue.) But it says I don't own it.

More than two people, including me, own #10, the Iliad. More than one person, including me, owns #11, the Odyssey. I own the Theogony, and it doesn't show. I own Works and Days, and that doesn't show. I have Aeschylus in the Loeb Library Greek, as well as half a dozen translations. I have multiple Sophocleses, although not in Greek, and I'm not shown as owning either.

And on and on. I don't know what order you're seeing (the order seems to be consistent to me, and the ones I'm seeing are all pretty old books) -- but I suspect the problem is that you are finding strange editions of these works, that should be combined with the main work, and because you are using strange versions, they're going to bounce around as people fiddle with this split-off editions.

Plus if you want people to use the list, they really should see the editions they're likely to own!

1. works- with few to no owners:

this is partly because I wanted specific translations and could not find them. for instance, I chose- Gilgamesh by anonymous- rather than by yada yada Smith. I had no idea when I selected that how many people would own it or not. so. "name of work by Euripides". by- Euripides. that way I can focus on translation versions later. for instance- Great books chooses one translation, but other lists I am using, select another; I am hoping to give a reasonable amount of choice in translations, in my notes- and possibly add things in later after I have my "skeleton" in.

so, I am aware that these can be combined - that is not my focus at the moment. my focus - I hope- will be on the specific translations, at a future point. I have this issue frequently with works not showing up from lists; usually I can combine them from that information- or find that somehow it wasn't in my library but- should have been etc.

I am torn about some of these works being combined willy-nilly with other works. Aeschylus, by Aeschylus - provides some nice options. other irritations in this project- have been authors getting smooshed into things such as Geoffrey Chaucer Hutchins- because formatting smooshed author with editor. so- do I really want to combine somebody's book with that mess and always have to look at it saying Geoffrey Chaucer Hutchins- because we cannot put a canonical title. I know why the work in question says Geoffrey Chaucer Hutchins- but how about some inexperienced reader who attempts to go looking for that author?

so, I'm not focussing on merging at moment. and am enjoying the list having a certain amount of clarity.

#2. The works I am mentioning as out of order would be in the last fifty works- which are in the Middle Ages and on another page. it started out Dante, Chaucer, and worked down; then suddenly I found Chaucer at the bottom with the 1500's. I put him back twice, Ignatius drifted. they just kept drifting.

>3 TilleyHowland: this is partly because I wanted specific translations and could not find them

Of course not, because those translations are combined with other works. All of your works should be combined with other works -- and anyone could do so, at any time, which would upset your list. (I in fact agree with you that the way LibraryThing handles ancient works is very bad -- separate translations deserve some sort of recognition as independent sub-works or something, and original language editions should certainly be split from translations! -- but that isn't how LT does things.)

If you want to list specific translations, I would suggest not trying to find oddball editions of works, which should be combined and probably will be combined if people start using your list, but rather making a note saying that you suggest this or that translation.

That also addresses the problem that, when you say "LXX," I at least am not going to use an English translation, I'll go to the Göttingen Septuagint volumes if I have them, or the Alfred Rahlfs Septuaginta if I don't. If you specify the translation you want, we may not agree with you, but at least we'll know what you want us to read.

so, I went in and took some screen shots. Chaucer was at 175- but he should have been 169- next to Dante- because I have not filled in between yet.

thought I would just sample one at a time

I moved him- it claimed he had been moved then I hit refresh. hitting refresh- was what I had to do yesterday- but I don't know if I'm supposed to today. anyhow- it went back to 175. and I will check if anybody else moved when I refreshed

This feature has not been officially announced yet and might not be finished

>6 norabelle414: ok. thx. I just need to know if I should avoid working on it. (pouting)

but I guess I should

Where does it get posted? so that i do not miss it

thanks

We're going to announce this soon. But it was pushed a little prematurely, as there are some unresolved design things. So we welcome your comments (and bug) reports on it, but I also don't want you to feel that it's final. We may fix what you want fixed on our own.

T

Fixed the reordering issue. They should save properly now.

>11 knerd.knitter: thank you. I'll go dink around

And we'll be pushing another update to List pages on Monday. I just didn't want to do it on a weekend when I'm not going to be around much.

I'm finding the new List design very frustrating. I'm using my phone, and in both mobile and desktop view, the entries in the list are 'active', so they move and reorder themselves at the slightest touch, which is inevitable as they're so close together, and as the inactive areas of the screen are too narrow to use for scrolling without touching the active areas.

The list I was updating is now all out of order, and I'll have to go on my PC to correct it, though if the design remains the same that seems pointless as they'll just get jumble again the next time I try to scroll on my phone.

If the new design stays the same in this respect, I'll probably stop using lists as it's pointless adding entries which then get randomly shuffled. Is it possible to add a fixed scroll bar to the side of the screen-view?

Also, I liked the side-bar summary of my entries to a list, which now, sadly, seems to have vanished.

Oh and if this is the right place to drop this, maybe reword In Your Library to All Collections or Your Collections since it includes Read but Not owned, etc.

>14 Michael.Rimmer: I'm reserving judgment until I see the new design as it's meant to be but I also miss seeing my whole list in the sidebar. That was really handy.

>16 sturlington: Yeah, I'll be disappointed to lose that nice compact list as a quick reference, especially since you can see even less of the main list on a computer screen (previously several books, now 1 if you're lucky).

>16 sturlington: I, too, was sad to not see the list at the right side- because it was the fastest way to reorder a long list; and the new list is slower if you have to move something far; but for me, the moving capacity of the main list is easier- if you don't have to go far; more complicated if you have to move it far;

perhaps a numbering box on far left so you could just type a number- and BOOM POW. it would just go there? ( yeah- I know- there I go with the boom pows again. )

also- it looked funny at first; I am getting used to it.

Omg the side list is gone. Yuck. I use it a lot and will miss it.

>19 Bookmarque: Every time I finish a book, I add it to the Books Read in 2022 list. Then I check the list on the side to see how many books I've read this year. But I can't do that anymore. Sigh.

yes, I liked the side list too, and found it easier to change the order that way instead of in the main list.

We should be pushing an updated version shortly that has a better interface for resorting. Also, you can see the number of items on the sidebar, including the total number of items in the list and the number in your catalog. I'm going to add the number in Your List is well

The reordering is now much tighter, and you have to enter reordering mode so it doesn't have the drag/scroll confusion mentioned above. Lots of other bug fixes included also (like the translation error mentioned above).

>22 knerd.knitter: It's good to see the number of books in my list in the sidebar but I still miss seeing the whole list there, especially now since the covers are so big that I have to do a lot of scrolling to see the contents of the list.

I don't like how when you add a book from the Global List to your list, it automatically goes to the Your List view, and you have to go back and click the Global List button to see the full list again. It just seems like an extra step.

It's hard on the Global List view for me to visually distinguish between what's on my list and what isn't since the box is green for both On Your List and Add to Your List.

A list should have checkboxes so you can check things off. This is a "nice to have" feature, but it would be nice to be able to add books you want to read from the Global List to Your List, then go through and check them off as you read them.

Changing to Your List view after adding is a bug that we are fixing.

How do you enter re-order mode? I can't seem to find it.

>26 al.vick: You have to go to Your List and you should see the Reorder button.

ah...okay, so obvious if you know where to look. Thanks!!

Is it intentional that only the global numbering is shown? When I switch to the My List area, I would like to see my own placement....

After playing with the new lists for a bit, the thing that is most annoying me is the color of the button. If you thumbs down, it is yellow. But if the book is not on your list or it is added to your list, it is the same color green. Scrolling through quickly, these look the same to me. I'd love for one of them to be a different color, so as I scroll through, I get a visual cue as to what is and isn't on my list. Seems like a simple change, not a pony...

>29 SirThomas: I believe this is the way it used to work on Your List, but we are releasing a change for that soon.

>30 sturlington: That is also coming.

>31 knerd.knitter: Yay!

The new lists pages have been updated and fixed in various ways, and are now officially out:

https://www.librarything.com/topic/346350

>23 conceptDawg: The updated release sorted my grow about reordering, for which I'm grateful 😊