Large number of SOURCES disappearing

Greetings!

I am using a large number of sources - 314 -for cataloging obscure publications especially from non-English countries. I have noticed for some time more and more of my sources are no longer valid
WHY ARE THESE IMPORTANT SOURCES DISAPPEARING?
FOR CHINA ONLY AMAZON is left;
For BHUTAN, UKRAINE, etc. NONE!
I have added "(MAJOR PROBÖEM FOR ME)" for those I very much miss and "(HELP!!! MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME)" which are an even bigger problem.

first QUESTION - WHAT IS GOING ON
second QUESTION - my SEARCH WHERE still lists 314 - can the no longer valid please be eliminated
third QUESTION - can the arrangement of sources be improved - alphabetical or most used or whatever. Editing each one of 314 is a pain in the backside!

Some of my sources no longer working, more will follow if it is necessary:

USA
Stanford University Auto detected as not working (HELP!!! MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME)
University of California, California Digital Library Auto detected as not working
University of California, Los Angeles Auto detected as not working
University of California, Berkeley Auto detected as not working (HELP - its my Alma Mater)
Southwestern Oklahoma State University Auto detected as not working
Stillwater (OK) Public LibraryAuto detected as not working
New York Public Library Auto detected as not working (HELP!!! MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME)
Cal State University, Stanislaus Auto detected as not working
North Central Kansas Library System Auto detected as not working
Lafayette College (Easton, PA) Auto detected as not working
Union College (Schenectady, NY) Auto detected as not working'
University of California, San Diego Auto detected as not working
Florida State University Auto detected as not working

UK
National Art Library, Victoria and Albert Museum Auto detected as not working
Wellcome Library for the History and Understanding of Medicine Auto detected as not working (MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME)
University of Cambridge Auto detected as not working (MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME)

AUSTRIA
Österreichischer Bibliothekenverbund Auto detected as not working (MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME)

AUSTRALIA
University of New England (Armidale, NSW) Auto detected as not working
University of Sydney Auto detected as not working (MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME)

ARGENTINA
Biblioteca Nacional Mariano Moreno (Argentina) Auto detected as not working

BHUTAN
National Library of Bhutan Auto detected as not working (NO BHUTAN LIBRARY LEFT!!!)

CANADA
McGill University Auto detected as not working

CZECH REPUBLIC
Univerzity Karlovy Auto detected as not working
Univerzity v Ostrave Auto detected as not working

DENMARK
Dronningens Håndbibliotek Auto detected as not working
Feldborg Frie Børneunivers Auto detected as not working
Frederiksberg Auto detected as not working
Grundtvig Biblioteket Auto detected as not working
Hillerød Sygehus Auto detected as not working
Høje-Taastrup Kommunes Biblioteker Auto detected as not working
Nationalmuseet Auto detected as not working
Det Kongelige Danske Kunstakademis Skoler for Arkitektur, Design og Konservering. Auto detected as not working
Danish Union Catalog Auto detected as not working

GERMANY
Hochschule Fulda Auto detected as not working
Stiftung Gedenkstätten Buchenwald und Mittelbau-Dora Auto detected as not working
Bibliothek des Stadtmuseums CamburgAuto detected as not working
Deutsches Archäologisches Institut (Newer)Auto detected as not working
Deutsches Archäologisches Institut (Older)Auto detected as not working
Historische Bibliothek der Stadt RudolstadtAuto detected as not working
Südwestdeutscher Bibliotheksverbund SWB Auto detected as not working (HELP!!! MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME)
Universität Erfurt Auto detected as not working
Universität Kaiserslautern Auto detected as not working
Universität Mannheim Auto detected as not working

INDIA
Central Institute of Indian Languages Auto detected as not working

JAPAN
Hokkaido University of Education Auto detected as not working
Okayama University Auto detected as not working
Sapporo University Auto detected as not working

NETHERLANDS
University of Utrecht Auto detected as not working

OMAN
Sultan Qaboos University Auto detected as not working

PERU
Pontificia Universidad Católica del Perú Auto detected as not working

ROMANIA
Universitatea de Vest din Timişoara Auto detected as not working
Biblioteca Naţională a României Auto detected as not working

SWITZERLAND
IDS Luzerne Auto detected as not working

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
United Arab Emirates University Auto detected as not working

UKRAINE
National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy Libraries Auto detected as not working (NO UKRAINIAN LIBRARY LEFT)

Are others noting this problem or is everybody only using AMAZON

Looking forward to FEEDBACK

John Douglas Marshall / Vice Presdent / Weltmuseum Wien

I'm not LT staff; but I do help with the sources. Generally, sources fail for two big reasons (not comprehensive at all):

1. Systems change (e.g. Stanford is now on FOLIO, LT is still using Symphony settings)
2. Settings change (the library could have stopped using z39.50 or locked down access)

Stanford University -- now on FOLIO; connection details needed
University of California, California Digital Library -- now n WorldCat; dead to us
University of California, Los Angeles -- now on Alma; fixed
University of California, Berkeley -- now on Alma; fixed
University of California, San Diego -- now on Alma; fixed (all UC sources fixed except Santa Cruz)
Southwestern Oklahoma State University -- now on WorldCat; dead to us
Stillwater (OK) Public -- possibly locked down; possibly newer version of Sirsi
New York Public Library -- NYPL isn't available to any service outside of NY state; could have exception; LT staff would have to communicate with NYPL
Cal State University, Stanislaus -- now on Alma; fixed it (fixed all Cal State sources)
North Central Kansas Library System -- on newer version of VERSO; connection details needed
Lafayette College (Easton, PA) -- now on FOLIO; connection details needed
Union College (Schenectady, NY) -- now on Alma; fixed
Florida State University -- now on Alma; connection details needed

I surmise we may also be seeing some changes behind the scenes with automatic testing of sources that is marking them as broken. The trouble, though, is that a lot of these sources are unstable and sometimes go up and down, and brokenness marker may be being applied a bit overzealously and the specs should be changed to require more consistent failure over a time period before marking as broken. This is just an educated guess. Perhaps ccatalfo could be pinged to comment?

I will try to take a look at some of the sources in the list specifically if I get a chance. Thanks to lesmel for the great work.

Thanks for the replies. Actually it's the non-USA sources that I miss the most. Some national libraries and many others that I use for obscure publications. Many countries have NO sources left - small catalogues or other matter from them are not available on Amazon or Library of Congress. Of course I can and do enter a lot of material "ADD MANUALLY" but find it is better to have source to show the publication is genuine. I almost always look in WorldCat first to find libraries where the publication is located. Strangely some works are not there but are in LibraryThing (e.g. University of Vienna).
Anyway thanks for taking trouble
Greetings from Vienna - JOHN

The Bad:
University of Sydney
On Alma now, seems to need a login. Staff would need to solicit.

National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy Libraries
Connects but is throwing "system error" messages. Fiddled a bit with the exposed settlings, but probably needs backend work.

National Library of Bhutan
OPAC doesn't seem to be accessible through their website either, so guessing there's issues their end.

Central Institute of Indian Languages
Changed domain from ciillibrary.org to library.ciil.org, but get access-control failure. May need login.

United Arab Emirates University --
WorldCat, dead to us.

Danish Union Catalog --
https://danbib.dk/zgateway-tekniske-parametre-driftsversion
Looks like staff will need to contact for login details.

Sultan Qaboos University
WorldCat, dead to us.

University of Utrecht
WorldCat, dead to us.
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The Good:
Wellcome Fixed (domain/IP change).

Biblioteca Nacional Mariano Moreno fixed (domain/IP change)

Added Z10plus, which combines German SWB and GBV, so it should be a workaround on SWB. (Would appreciate feedback whether it is working well, as the list of database options is extensive. I *think* I got it right)

Biblioteca Naţională a României fixed (domain change)

Univerzity Karlovy fixed (moved to Alma)

Univerzity v Ostrave was working on backend when tested (possibly overzealously marked broken, now marked working).

PUCPeru fixed (domain change to Sirsi hosted Symphony)

Florida State University fixed (figured out the Alma config. Most of the Florida universities that used to be hosted on FLVC should fall into place now. Will try to start on them -- ETA got all except the virtual union catalog, which will need correct database name).

National Art Library, Victoria and Albert Museum -- now on WorldCat; dead to us

University of Cambridge -- on Alma; fixed

Österreichischer Bibliothekenverbund -- on Alma; uses SRU and OAI-PMH not z39.50

University of New England -- fixed; updated connection details

McGill University -- WorldCat; dead to us

>5 davidgn: Danish Union Catalog -- it says "Adgang til zgateway kræver brugerkode", i.e. you need a license to connect. i.e. they don't want us to use it for free, methinks.

"National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy Libraries Auto detected as not working (NO UKRAINIAN LIBRARY LEFT)"

😰😭

I know what you meant was something different, but... ouch.

>7 bnielsen: Fingers crossed something might be worked out, but you're probably right.

Got Erfurt and the SWB (by going through the z10plus server). Also several other German unis and hochschulen that had switched to z10plus.

Found connection details for UChicago's FOLIO implementation.
https://www.lib.uchicago.edu/search/catalogs/z3950/
Unfortunately, looks like it will need backend work as it throws a system error. And the server naming scheme doesn't seem to carry over to Stanford either.

A whole bunch of Cal State U sources just turned up broken again, though they're working now. Doubling down on the overzealous broken-marking being a major issue. ETA: Same with a bunch of UCs, including Berkeley. ETA: And I "fixed" Ostrava, but its details should be working fine.

Thanks for the heads up on these and the work to get new connection details and lay out what's happening.

I'll take a look and see about overzealous non-working logic.

Right. I'm deep in the bowels of the Alma install lists every spare second I get, so hundreds of sources are getting edited (added working/added with need to get credentials or whitelisting/removed/fixed), but not necessarily the ones requested. Anyone want to put together an updated version of >1 johninvienna: with progress?

Update on this - i'm going to try tweaking the parameters around which LT decides that a z3950 datasource is not working. It was set to 60% of previous 5 searches failing would get it marked as not working. Going to try 80% of the last 50 searches will force it to be marked not working.

Let's see how that does - hopefully it will be a bit more robust in the face of intermittent downtimes or failures.

>13 davidgn: FYI, there's a chance that a number of Alma installs that don't work for z39.50 might work with SRU. The integrations are activated separately in the system. Also, the company (ExL) will only connect Alma to Alma via SRU now. Makes turning on z39.50 access less enticing for libraries.

>14 ccatalfo: Kicked all the dead Alma sources. Almost half came back to life. We'll see how many drop as of tomorrow.

edit: wrong thread

And looks like they're dead again. :-/

>18 davidgn: Ugh ok. Let's hold off fixing for now until we can track down what is happening and fix it.

https://www.librarything.com/topic/343385

CNB - CZECH National Bibliography not working.

Everyone thanks for the efforts. But just to show ones frustration, Switzerland, which had many libraries listed before, now has only:
ILO - United Nations International Labour Office
RERO - Reseau Romand (Switzerland)
Sistema bibliotecario ticinese (Switzerland)
SLSP Swisscovery
United Nations Office at Geneva
University of St. Gallen

HOWEVER THE IMPORTANT SOURCES ARE ALL GONE.
NEBIS (Switzerland) Auto detected as not working Most important
Swiss National Library Auto detected as not working
Universität Basel Auto detected as not working
IDS Luzerne Auto detected as not working

The sources are disappearing faster than they are being added.

Greetings from Vienna, JOHN

>21 johninvienna: NEBIS has been replaced by Swisscovery. I'm removing it. The other three I will try to look at.

Swiss National Library should be on Alma, but doesn't seem to be returning a full complement of results. The other two are also on Alma but looking wonky (and IDS Luzerne might either not be serving Z39.50 or needs credentials/whitelisting, as I can't get a database login). ccatalfo might need to take a look.

The British Library source seems to be broken for me as well, it returns "No results found" for any query on the Add books page---I tried several books that should definitely be held by them!

>24 seshenibi: I used it a few days ago for 9780063045668, but it doesn't work now.

>25 MarthaJeanne: I suspect some backend tinkering may have gone awry.

Helsinki Metropolitan Libraries and Melinda return mostly "No results found".

I tested some books I've added from Melinda or HelMet earlier. It seems searching for such books from Melinda or HelMet finds some but not all of them. Overcat finds them from the sources they've been added.

Examples:
isbn 9789516073685 (added from HelMet): Melinda >no, HelMet >no, Overcat >yes/Helmet, helmet.fi >yes
isbn 9789510434130 (added from Melinda): Melinda >yes, HelMet>yes, Overcat >yes/Melinda&HelMet
isbn 9789511392910 (added from Melinda): Melinda >yes, HelMet >no, Overcat >yes/Melinda, helmet.fi >yes
isbn 9789523414457: Melinda >no, HelMet >no, Overcat >no, helmet.fi >yes

The Dutch 'Koninklijke Bibliotheek' finds the books, but I can't add them. If I click nothing happens.
I do know this source recently moved to a new domain.
If I do a search myself I first used http://opc4.kb.nl/, now redirected to https://webggc.oclc.org/cbs/DB=2.37/

ETA: The other source I use 'Vlaamse Centrale Catalogus' worked five days ago, but doesn't find any book I tried today.

I updated information on Det Kongelige Bibliotek and testing inside the webpage for that worked fine, but it doesn't work when I try to use it as source.

I'll second >26 davidgn: "Some backend tinkering may have gone awry."

Hi all,

Thanks for the troubleshooting, everyone, and sorry for the troubles!

We're almost done a systems upgrade on Overcat and the jobs which run the datasource testing and marking are going to get redeployed in the next few days. I've had to hold off working on this until that's complete. Once that's done, I can dig in for real and figure out what the trouble is. I've no doubt we'll be able to sort it out.

The good part about this upgrade is it puts overcat on much more solid footing, systems-wise. That will allow us to maintain these better.

So as soon as this upgrade is done, I'll be on this and will get it sorted out.

I'll report back when the upgrade is complete and I start on it.

>30 ccatalfo: Nice! Thanks for the update.

>30 ccatalfo: Thank you

>30 ccatalfo: Just going to keep other threads as reference here, until we can dig into them:

https://www.librarything.com/topic/343433
https://www.librarything.com/topic/343426

Update: I found an error happening for non UTF-8 datasources where updated logic for Z39.50 retrieval was forcing records to UTF-8 - this caused them to fail.

In the case of CNB - CZECH National Bibliography I also needed to set it's record_encoding to latin-1 in order to get the records parsed correctly. That one is now working.

I will do some more digging and look at others as well.

>21 johninvienna:, >22 davidgn:, >23 davidgn:, >30 ccatalfo:

It seems to me that the Z39.50 format is far less common in Switzerland than in other places. I recently checked with the SBS "Schweizerische Bibliothek für Blinde, Seh- und Lesebehinderte" (Swiss library for the blind, visually impaired and print disabled) and got the answer that the SBS does not support Z39.50.
Whether this is only the case in Switzerland, in German-speaking Europe, or in Europe in general, I do not know.
At least in German-speaking Europe, SRU (https://www.dnb.de/DE/Professionell/Metadatendienste/Datenzugang/SRU/sru_node.html) seems to be widespread.
It might be useful for many LT users if other interface formats could be used.

>35 birder4106: Thank you - I do think we should add SRU support. We have some code part-way there which I hope to complete in the near future.

>33 kristilabrie:
1. https://www.librarything.com/topic/343433 National Library of Australian - got this working by updating record encoding to utf-8

>36 ccatalfo:
Thank you for your prompt reply.
Just now I was trying to find out about ALMA, which I didn't know.
I was able to determine that ALMA is also a very widespread interface.
But that, in turn, is certainly nothing new for you specialists.

>33 kristilabrie:
2. https://www.librarything.com/topic/343426 LIBRIS - got this working some encoding tweaks and a bug fix.

>21 johninvienna: Swiss National Library should be working again.

>21 johninvienna: Universität Basel should be working again.

>21 johninvienna: IDS Luzerne - I'm seeing an access control failure from them (Bib1Err: 101 Access-control failure).

>28 FAMeulstee: Vlaamse Centrale Catalogus - I'm also getting an BibErr: 101 Access Control Failure here, although we do have a u/pw combination it does not appear to be working.

for France (no more fiable sources to import in LBTh)

SUDOC is dead (after BNF)

Ex
2-213-02300-X
Find here : https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb35001196f

= 9782213023007

However, find and import with overcat (Offical or public library : Toronto, LoC)

>36 ccatalfo: Here's to new adventures.

vs 44)
Strange now, SUDOC is OK

Sorry if it's my fault but i don't understand everything about the sources (i use academic or government sources.... not amazon or other commercial sources)

Some mn after :
SUDOC = Dead ??

Searching "The Royal Library of Sweden (LIBRIS)" seems to work again. BUT all non-ASCII characters seems to be handled incorrectly. E.g., I searched for ISBN 978-91-32-16546-7 and got "Nu r̃ det krig! by Geoff Rodkey", which should have been "Nu är det krig! by Geoff Rodkey".

Another source working in the sources maintenance page but not "Add books": https://www.librarything.com/topic/343467

>47 Saur2000: see also https://www.librarything.com/topic/343530#

>46 JMK2020: >47 Saur2000: >48 kristilabrie: >49 MarthaJeanne: Thanks for the updates - I'll be looking at these.

>47 Saur2000: LIBRIS - yes I'm having trouble finding a combination of record character encoding and overcat code which gets this correct. I'll find one, though.

>48 kristilabrie: Kongelike Bibliotheke - got this working (needed Present Chunk set to 1)

>29 bnielsen: Update:
Hmm, searching for "Hasselbalch" (a Danish publisher) says that it returns 7003 results and then displays only 3 of them. "Next" displays 2 more. Etc.

So the source "Det kongelige Bibliotek" works, i.e we have an connection, but the LT end of the connection seems to do something really weird.

There's a lot of weirdness going on in general with incomplete result returns. Apart from recent forum reports, if more examples are needed, I can probably provide.

I'll add to the list - ESTER - Estonian Union Catalog mostly does not return searches either in 'add books'.

I think it would be a good idea with one good example pr source. I spend a bit of time after updating the connection information for "Det kongelige Bibliotek" thinking that the updated connection didn't work at all. (I have a locally installed version of a Z39.50 client and that worked fine with the updated connection. So I digged a bit deeper and found that "Hasselbalch" returned something more than just "The search has failed".)

At least for "Det kongelige Bibliotek" it is not easy to find an example.

>53 Ttiina: "ESTER - Estonian Union Catalog mostly does not return searches" points in the same direction.

But maybe ccatalfo already has enough on his plate and we should stop finding more details ?

>54 bnielsen: Well, as a start, MelCat is a perennial irritation. 1470463717 is an example of something that's definitely in it but doesn't return. But MOST things that are supposed to be in it don't return.

>54 bnielsen: I know this was one of the top things ccatalfo was actively digging into last week, but he is out of the office this week, so we won't see much more progress on this until his return.

I appreciate everyone's patience in the meantime!

Just adding to the list of encoding issues as I get reports:

• National Bibliographic Information Network (Taiwan) - search 9789579614634

>50 ccatalfo:

SUDOC is dead, once again and BNF et dead too (for BNF it's not a news

ISBN 13 : 9791021004788 (for example)

>51 bnielsen: I appear to have the same missing results problem at the moment with Michigan State University and Northwestern University (Evanston, IL).
Searching for author "Kifle Biseat", Michigan gives four results but displays only 1 and Northwestern gives ten results but displays only 1.
Neither are copies of the book that I want to add and that they both have in their collections:
https:www.worldcat.org/search?q=935631087

Searching by title gives no results - but it's a transliterated title and these can be difficult...

Further checking shows that LT is unable to find titles it previously found via these libraries:
eg I can no longer find Ṡenāt : yaṭor méda welo via Northwestern or H̲āylamāryāmen felagā via Michigan (both were added about 4 weeks ago and are still findable via Overcat - although there are now character handling problems with one of the titles which were not present in the original upload).

I've noticed the Biblionix sources don't seem to be returning results anymore. Perhaps ccatalfo can take a look.

State Library of Victoria have just moved to a new catalog. The current details work (i.e. don't return an error) but no results get returned. I've lodged an inquiry with them.

>62 rodneyvc: New details for State Library of Victoria:

Server address: slv.alma.exlibrisgroup.com
Database name: 61SLV_INST
Port ID: 210

I've created source "State Library of Victoria new" and it seems to work. Can someone verify this. What is the official way of transitioning between sources?

>63 rodneyvc: You should have just changed the old details. Now we have a duplicate. Mark the new one a duplicate, unrelease it. Change the new one. This way, anyone already using the old one retains that source.

>64 lesmel: I didn't want to obliterate the original while verifying that the new details worked.
If you can confirm for me that the new one works I will then update the original one, and unrelease the test one.

>65 rodneyvc: Put the original settings in the notes field, just in case. Otherwise, it's reasonable to create the duplicate temporarily so long as it's not entirely clear that the old one is entirely dead or the new one entirely working. Just make sure to ultimately unrelease one. And this conversation is a bit into the weeds, so it should probably happen in the sources maintenance thread.

The connection between LibraryThing and the National and University Library Zagreb for the book data import is not working.

The connection between LibraryThing and Helsinki Metropolitan Libraries for the bibliographic data is not working.

>67 besha78: and >68 paivikn: Nothing I can do on those at the moment, but will keep an eye on them when staff changes roll out.

>69 davidgn: We're doing some final testing on the code changes later today. Meanwhile I'll make sure Helsinki Metropolitan Libraries is working _with_ the changes.

It would be very nice if Österreichischer Bibliothekenverbund worked again, I was reduced to Amazon on several books today.

>71 MarthaJeanne: I'm just getting perpetual timeouts from them no matter what I search for, so I'll need to reach out to them (unless someone else beats me to it) and make sure we have their connection details correct.

The connection between LibraryThing and BNF (Bibliotèque Nationale de France) for the bibliographic data is not working / So import is impossible

The connection between LibraryThing and SUDOC for the bibliographic data is not working / So import is impossible
.

Example :

2729827552

BNF :
https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb40180512p

SUDOC :
http://www.sudoc.abes.fr/cbs/xslt//DB=2.1/CMD?ACT=SRCHA&IKT=7&SRT=RLV&am...

>72 kristilabrie: Thanks. Just spoiled. I used to do most of my Austrian books manually. (Amazon.de has gotten a lot better in the meantime, too.)

>73 JMK2020: BNF: the issue seems to be on their end, from our testing. We're using the credentials listed at https://multimedia-ext.bnf.fr/pdf/parametres%20_config_Z3950_bnf.pdf and it's not working. If you'd like to reach out to them directly, to make sure those are correct, that would be a huge help!

I'll take a look at SUDOC when I can, thanks!

>75 kristilabrie:
I reach out to BNF and now wait response (3 days)

Wait and see
;-)

>75 kristilabrie: I don't have any luck either:

$ yaz-client -u Z3950/Z3950_BNF z3950.bnf.fr:2211/srubnf-tout
Authentication set to Open (Z3950/Z3950_BNF)
Connecting...OK.
Sent initrequest.
Connection accepted by v3 target.
ID : 81
Name : Metaproxy/YAZ
Version: 1.11.3/5.16.0 e3fd23ffc6ce9cc4d06177cb4c083d27dc69cc26
Options: search present scan namedResultSets
Elapsed: 0.094877
Z> base TOUT
Z> f bible
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a success.
Number of hits: 0, setno 1
records returned: 0
Diagnostic message(s) from database:
154 Unknown error -- v2 addinfo '(backend=localhost:9004/srubnf-tout)'
Elapsed: 0.083973
Z>

I can't guess the name of the database from their connection details.

CNB - CZECH National Bibliography not working again :(

>78 badzacz: Sorry for the trouble. Can you give me 1 or 2 examples of searches that didn't work for you? Did you see any error message/s and if so, what did they say?

NB: we may need to wait until our changes are pushed tomorrow to test again, in case this gets fixed.

cf 59, ..., 73 & 75
It seems book's importation from BNF to librarything come from Librarything

Here response of BNF (and translation under)

The mail adress of the correspondents are in the text
if someone could take care of the file

Note : DSI = IT services department

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

French :
De : cecile.capot@bnf.fr mailto:cecile.capot@bnf.fr De la part de coordination-bibliographique@bnf.fr
Envoyé : lundi 12 septembre 2022 18:02
À : xxx
Cc : alerts@sindbadbnf.libanswers.com
Objet : RE: SINDBAD Littérature et arts Fiabilité du protocole d'exportation de notice

Bonjour Monsieur,

Notre DSI m'indique n'avoir reçu aucune alerte de dysfonctionnement du protocole Z39.50, que je viens tout juste de tester et qui semble bien fonctionner de notre côté.
Le problème persiste-t-il du vôtre ? Si oui, serait-il possible de nous transmettre des ISBN et des titres pour lesquels le problème a été remarqué ?

Cordialement,
Cécile Capot

Services aux professionnels
Département des Métadonnées
Bibliothèque nationale de France

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

English :
Hello Sir,

Our DSI tells me that it has not received any malfunction alert from the Z39.50 protocol, which I have just tested and which seems to be working well on our side.
Does the problem persist from yours? If so, would it be possible to send us ISBNs and titles for which the problem was noticed?

Cordially,
Cecile Capot

Services for professionals
Metadata Department
National Library of France

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
So, from every ISBN,
Example : 2203312173

>80 JMK2020: Nice. I think googling found me a way through:

$ yaz-client -u Z3950/Z3950_BNF z3950.bnf.fr:2211/TOUT-UTF8
Authentication set to Open (Z3950/Z3950_BNF)
Connecting...OK.
Sent initrequest.
Connection accepted by v3 target.
ID : 81
Name : Metaproxy/YAZ
Version: 1.11.3/5.16.0 e3fd23ffc6ce9cc4d06177cb4c083d27dc69cc26
Options: search present scan namedResultSets
Elapsed: 0.160496
Z> format unimarc
Z> find @attr 1=4 "france"
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a success.
Number of hits: 369254, setno 1
records returned: 0
Elapsed: 0.699612
Z> show 1+1
Sent presentRequest (1+1).
Records: 1
TOUT-UTF8Record type: Unimarc
00754nas 2200289 i 450
001 FRBNF342308390000005
003 http://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb342308394
011 0 $a 0335-8127 $f 0335-8127
035 $a (CNEPS) 03358127
039 $o OPL $a 004229797
100 $a 19790403a1974 m y0frey50 ba
101 0 $a fre
102 $a FR
106 $a r
110 $a bu|z|||||z|
181 0 $6 01 $a i $b xxxe
181 $6 02 $c txt $2 rdacontent
182 0 $6 01 $a n
182 $6 02 $c n $2 rdamedia
200 1 $a France $b Texte imprimé
210 $a Paris $c Nouveau bureau d'édition
300 $a 5/75
530 0 $a France
531 $a France
675 $a 9
801 0 $a FR $b FR-751131015 $c 19790403 $g AFNOR $h FRBNF342308390000005 $2 intermrc
802 $a 07

nextResultSetPosition = 2
Elapsed: 1.255995
Z> quit

Probably ccatalfo or davidgn or lesmel can take it from here?

ETA: I found this link helpful: https://api.bnf.fr/fr/serveur-z3950-catalogue-general

While I'm at it: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/oids.html
gave me hints for formats. (Apparently I was lucky to choose unimarc or intermarc for a format, since I don't have much luck with other formats.)

Still getting access control problems...

>82 davidgn: Me too. I.e. the test interface is not good for debugging this sort of error. I have no idea of the search string that is sent, so it is hard to know what is going wrong. A naive search for "bible" will fail as seen here. A title search for "bible" will find thousands of records.

Z> find "bible"
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a success.
Number of hits: 0, setno 5
records returned: 0
Diagnostic message(s) from database:
154 Unknown error -- v2 addinfo '(backend=localhost:9004/srubnf-tout-utf8)'
Elapsed: 0.065719
Z> find @attr 1=4 "bible"
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a success.
Number of hits: 29923, setno 6
records returned: 0
Elapsed: 0.160920
Z>

Well,
Another problem about "add book" / BNF vs Lbthing

With overcat, we have some results
With BNF No result:

Ex ISBN 10 : 2800100141
And not search with text or title / or author, Series, Publisher, N° of notice // Le Nid des Marsupilamis, André Franquin, Spirou et Fantasio, Dupuis...

ISBN https://www.librarything.fr/addbooks

Here resut directly on BNF catalogu :
https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb43453190d

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Note : same problem with SUDOC

Definitely many sources are now working!

But the "sources" problem continues and I still have 97 sources that once worked, but no longer do..

FOR ME IMPORTANT - 15 SOURCES!
University of California, California Digital Library - not working
National Art Library, Victoria and Albert Museum - not working
Österreichischer Bibliothekenverbund - not working
New York Public Library - not working
Südwestdeutscher Bibliotheksverbund SWB - not working
McGill University - not working
Sapporo University - not working
Südwestdeutschen Bibliotheksverbund (SWB) - not working
Central Institute of Indian Languages - not working
Nationalmuseet - not working
Sultan Qaboos University
National Library of Bhutan
Wienbibliothek im Rathaus
Tsinghua University
Tata Institute of Social Sciences

Less Important - 82 Sources
Southwestern Oklahoma State University
University of Sydney
Biblioteca Nacional Mariano Moreno (Argentina)
Universidad Peruana de Ciencias Aplicadas (Santiago de Surco, LMA) 2
Stiftung Gedenkstätten Buchenwald und Mittelbau-Dora
Hochschule Fulda
Bibliothek des Stadtmuseums Camburg
European Nazarene College
Deutsches Archäologisches Institut (Newer)
Deutsches Archäologisches Institut (Older)
Historische Bibliothek der Stadt Rudolstadt
Universität Kaiserslautern
National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy Libraries
Wellcome Library for the History and Understanding of Medicine
United Arab Emirates University
North Central Kansas Library System
Lafayette College (Easton, PA)
Benediktinerkollegium Sarnen
IDS Luzerne
Hokkaido University of Education
Lycoming College (Williamsport, PA)
Okayama University
University of Utrecht
Dronningens Håndbibliotek
Feldborg Frie Børneunivers
Frederiksberg
Grundtvig Biblioteket
Hillerød Sygehus
Høje-Taastrup Kommunes Biblioteker
Biblioteka Publiczna w Dzielnicy Żoliborz m.st. Warszawy
Concordia University (Montréal, QC)
Danube International School
Bibliothèques de Rennes
Université Savoie Mont Blanc
Bibliothèque Interuniversitaire de Montpellier
Sripatum University
Sukhothai Thammatirat Open University
University of Central Arkansas (Conway, AR)
King Mongkut's Institute of Technology, Ladkrabang
BnF - Bibliothèque nationale de France
Austin (TX) Public Library
Universidad Autónoma de Ciudad Juárez
NVLI Project - Ministry of Culture, India
Rangsit University
Université Paris V Descartes
El Colegio de México (Ciudad de México, CMX)
Pohang University of Science and Technology
Biblioteca Nacional de Mexico
Universidad Complutense de Madrid / AECID
Daegu International School
Universidad Iberoamericana Tijuana
Aurora (IN) Public Library District
American Museum of Natural History (New York, NY)
India International Center
Bibliothèque Mazarine
Wageningen University - Land Bodem Water
Massey University
NEBIS (Switzerland)
British Library Aut
Viking Library System (Minnesota)
Bibliotheek Het Markiezaat
Jasper/Dubois County (IN) Public Library
CUBISS - Limburg
LIBIS-Net (Belgium)
Université de Montréal
University of North Carolina, Wilmington
Amstelland Bibliotheken
University of Canterbury
Thammasat University
Grand Valley State University (Allendale, MI)
Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania (Bloomsburg, PA)
Eötvös Loránd University
Universiti Putra Malaysia
John Carroll University (University Heights, OH)
Wageningen UR Library
Xian Jiaotong University
Mississippi State University
Tata Institute of Social Sciences
SOLA -- School of Leadership, Afghanistan
Bangkok University
Singapore Polytechnic University
Koninklijke Bibliotheekasdf
Universiti Tun Abdul Razak

I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF ONE OR MORE OF THE IMPORTANT ONES COULD BE FIXED:
I thank everybody for all their help with this!

Greetings from Vienna
JOHN

University of California, California Digital Library
Mentioned in >2 lesmel:, University of California, California Digital Library is also WorldCat; but I'm not 100% sure about that. UC system is using Alma/Primo. UCDL's website mentions using any of the UC Primo interfaces to search UCDL holdings.

National Art Library, Victoria and Albert Museum
Mentioned in >6 lesmel: National Art Library, Victoria and Albert Museum -- now on WorldCat; dead to LT forever and ever. Are you seeing this source in the Add Sources list?

Österreichischer Bibliothekenverbund
Mentioned in >6 lesmel: Österreichischer Bibliothekenverbund -- on Alma; uses SRU and OAI-PMH not z39.50. Staff will have to fix this and broken sources are probably pretty low in the priority list.

New York Public Library
Mentioned in >2 lesmel: also New York Public Library -- NYPL isn't available to any service outside of NY state; could have exception; LT staff would have to communicate with NYPL. It marked as not working and unreleased (which means not visible to LT users). Are you seeing this source in the Add Sources list?

Südwestdeutscher Bibliotheksverbund SWB
Südwestdeutschen Bibliotheksverbund (SWB)
What is the difference between Südwestdeutschen Bibliotheksverbund (SWB) and Südwestdeutscher Bibliotheksverbund SWB?

McGill University
As mentioned by me in >6 lesmel: -- McGill will never work again as long as they are a WorldCat library. You shouldn't even be able to see this source in the list. I marked it as not working and unreleased (which means not visible to LT users). Are you seeing this source in the Add Sources list?

Southwestern Oklahoma State University
In >2 lesmel:, I mentioned Southwestern Oklahoma State University is WorldCat -- again, permanently never to work again. You shouldn't even be able to see this source in the list. I marked it as not working and unreleased (which means not visible to LT users). Are you seeing this source in the Add Sources list?

University of Sydney
Probably SRU and not z39.50.

davidgn has worked tirelessly on getting sources updated and working. That is 100% volunteer effort. And there are some weird bugs and connection issues to be worked around, fix, etc.

Right, let's number these.

I----
1. University of California, California Digital Library Auto detected as not working
2. National Art Library, Victoria and Albert Museum Auto detected as not working
3. Österreichischer Bibliothekenverbund Auto detected as not working
4. New York Public Library Auto detected as not working
5. Südwestdeutscher Bibliotheksverbund SWB Auto detected as not working
6. McGill University Auto detected as not working
7. Sapporo University Auto detected as not working
8. Südwestdeutschen Bibliotheksverbund (SWB) Auto detected as not working
9. Central Institute of Indian Languages Auto detected as not working
10. Nationalmuseet Auto detected as not working
11. Sultan Qaboos University Auto detected as not working
12. National Library of Bhutan Auto detected as not working
13. Wienbibliothek im Rathaus Auto detected as not working
14. Tsinghua University Auto detected as not working
15. Tata Institute of Social Sciences Auto detected as not working

L---
1. Southwestern Oklahoma State University Auto detected as not working
2. University of Sydney Auto detected as not working
3. Biblioteca Nacional Mariano Moreno (Argentina) Auto detected as not working
4. Universidad Peruana de Ciencias Aplicadas (Santiago de Surco, LMA) 2 Auto detected as not working
5. Stiftung Gedenkstätten Buchenwald und Mittelbau-Dora Auto detected as not working
6. Hochschule Fulda Auto detected as not working
7. Bibliothek des Stadtmuseums Camburg Auto detected as not working
8. European Nazarene College Auto detected as not working
9. Deutsches Archäologisches Institut (Newer) Auto detected as not working
10. Deutsches Archäologisches Institut (Older) Auto detected as not working
11. Historische Bibliothek der Stadt Rudolstadt Auto detected as not working
12. Universität Kaiserslautern Auto detected as not working
13. National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy Libraries Auto detected as not working
14. Wellcome Library for the History and Understanding of Medicine Auto detected as not 15. United Arab Emirates University Auto detected as not working
16. North Central Kansas Library System Auto detected as not working
17. Lafayette College (Easton, PA) Auto detected as not working
18. Benediktinerkollegium Sarnen Auto detected as not working
29. IDS Luzerne Auto detected as not working
20. Hokkaido University of Education Auto detected as not working
21. Lycoming College (Williamsport, PA) Auto detected as not working
22. Okayama University Auto detected as not working
23. University of Utrecht Auto detected as not working
24. Dronningens Håndbibliotek Auto detected as not working
25. Feldborg Frie Børneunivers Auto detected as not working
26. Frederiksberg Auto detected as not working
27. Grundtvig Biblioteket Auto detected as not working
28. Hillerød Sygehus Auto detected as not working
29. Høje-Taastrup Kommunes Biblioteker Auto detected as not working
30. Biblioteka Publiczna w Dzielnicy Żoliborz m.st. Warszawy Auto detected as not working
31. Concordia University (Montréal, QC) Auto detected as not working
32. Danube International School Auto detected as not working
33. Bibliothèques de Rennes Auto detected as not working
34. Université Savoie Mont Blanc Auto detected as not working
35. Bibliothèque Interuniversitaire de Montpellier Auto detected as not working
36. Sripatum University Auto detected as not working
37. Sukhothai Thammatirat Open University Auto detected as not working
38. University of Central Arkansas (Conway, AR) Auto detected as not working
39. King Mongkut's Institute of Technology, Ladkrabang Auto detected as not working
40. BnF - Bibliothèque nationale de France Auto detected as not working
41. Austin (TX) Public Library Auto detected as not working
42. Universidad Autónoma de Ciudad Juárez Auto detected as not working
43. NVLI Project - Ministry of Culture, India Auto detected as not working
44. Rangsit University Auto detected as not working
45. Université Paris V Descartes Auto detected as not working
46. El Colegio de México (Ciudad de México, CMX) Auto detected as not working
47. Pohang University of Science and Technology Auto detected as not working
48. Biblioteca Nacional de Mexico Auto detected as not working
49. Universidad Complutense de Madrid / AECID Auto detected as not working
50. Daegu International School Auto detected as not working
51. Universidad Iberoamericana Tijuana Auto detected as not working
52. Aurora (IN) Public Library District Auto detected as not working
53. American Museum of Natural History (New York, NY) Auto detected as not working
54. India International Center Auto detected as not working
55. Bibliothèque Mazarine Auto detected as not working
56. Wageningen University - Land Bodem Water Auto detected as not working
57. Massey University Auto detected as not working
58. NEBIS (Switzerland) Auto detected as not working
59. British Library Auto detected as not working
60. Viking Library System (Minnesota) Auto detected as not working
61. Bibliotheek Het Markiezaat Auto detected as not working
62. Jasper/Dubois County (IN) Public Library Auto detected as not working
63. CUBISS - Limburg Auto detected as not working
64. LIBIS-Net (Belgium) Auto detected as not working
65. Université de Montréal Auto detected as not working
66. University of North Carolina, Wilmington Auto detected as not working
67. Amstelland Bibliotheken Auto detected as not working
68. University of Canterbury Auto detected as not working
69. Thammasat University Auto detected as not working
70. Grand Valley State University (Allendale, MI) Auto detected as not working
71. Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania (Bloomsburg, PA) Auto detected as not working
72. Eötvös Loránd University Auto detected as not working
73. Universiti Putra Malaysia Auto detected as not working
74. John Carroll University (University Heights, OH) Auto detected as not working
75. Wageningen UR Library Auto detected as not working
76. Xian Jiaotong University Auto detected as not working
77. Mississippi State University Auto detected as not working
78. Tata Institute of Social Sciences Auto detected as not working
79. SOLA -- School of Leadership, Afghanistan Auto detected as not working
80. Bangkok University Auto detected as not working
81. Singapore Polytechnic University Auto detected as not working
82. Koninklijke Bibliotheekasdf Auto detected as not working
83. Universiti Tun Abdul Razak Auto detected as not working

Comments will follow.

I1, pretty sure MELVYL has been fully decommissioned, and haven't seen any indication that Z39.50 connectivity to CDL has continued on in the Alma age. Probably no longer available, but if anybody wants to research or file a support ticket, would be nice. http://www.oac.cdlib.org/about/ may be one place to start. But presumed dead until evidence to the contrary is presented.
I2 Dead. Remove from your list.
I3 Would need SRU support. That is a feature in the process of being implemented by staff, but with no estimate on completion.
I4 Nothing to be done unless staff can arrange something.
I5 Has been removed as a duplicate to I8. Remove from your list.
I6 Dead. Remove from your list.
I7 Has moved to new ILS with no recognizable open Z ports. Short of inquiring to confirm, presumed dead.
I8 Weird bug. This is already being looked into by staff. Nothing to be done by tweaking connnection settings.
I9 Will need staff to contact and get credentials for this one. Seems to be working but needs a login now.
I10 The database nat01 on ext.kb.dk is no longer valid. The Nationalmuseet is not on the list of external databases available at https://aleph-01.kb.dk/F/UAUEDM4L83F2QPDAVGYAV5655APC6M5KXFPC7XCYRI2KXI4IK4-0017.... . And I'm finding no evidence of a WebOPAC at https://natmus.dk/historisk-viden/forskning/. This might benefit from direct inquiry to the Nationalmuseet, Det Kongelige Bibliothek, or both.
I11 Dead, mentioned above, remove from your list.
I12 Last I checked it wasn't even serving an OPAC /// I12 Serving Web OPAC at http://220.158.236.131 but no open Z ports I can find. Likely interpretation: they got the Koha OPAC (back?) up, but nobody bothered to turn the Z-server on.
EDIT: They also used to have an OPAC hosted by Det Kongelige Bibliothek. But it's down. https://ext.kb.dk/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b&local_base=bhu01&con....
So if anyone writes to DKB about I10, the Nationalmuseet, it might make sense to add an inquiry about the Bhutan database as well.
I13 Ditto I3.
I14 Verified Z-server on tsinghua.alma.exlibrisgroup.com. Needs authentication. Warrants staff comms as well to request the credential details.
I15 Just checked, and no recognized open ports. Presumed dead.

Ls will get some attention tomorrow.

>86 lesmel: Thanks. Note, unreleased sources that have been added to a user's individual list of sources seem to remain there until manually removed by the user. Annoying. Whether this is a bug or feature is unclear, though.

>88 davidgn: Wow, thanks for all of your help on these! Incredible work.

Updates (will also be updated above when I get to it):
I9 Will need staff to contact and get credentials for this one. Seems to be working but needs a login now. See appendix.
I10 The database nat01 on ext.kb.dk is no longer valid. The Nationalmuseet is not on the list of external databases available at https://aleph-01.kb.dk/F/UAUEDM4L83F2QPDAVGYAV5655APC6M5KXFPC7XCYRI2KXI4IK4-0017... . And I'm finding no evidence of a WebOPAC at https://natmus.dk/historisk-viden/forskning/. This might benefit from direct inquiry to the Nationalmuseet, Det Kongelige Bibliothek, or both.
I12 Serving Web OPAC at http://220.158.236.131 but no open Z ports I can find. Likely interpretation: they got the Koha OPAC (back?) up, but nobody bothered to turn the Z-server on.
I14 Supposedly on Alma. Discovery via Primo. Can't figure out connection details. Any thoughts, lesmel ? See appendix below.

APPENDIX:
I9.
davidgn@penguin:~$ yaz-client library.ciil.org:1111
Connecting...OK.
Sent initrequest.
Connection rejected by v3 target.
ID : Virtua 0.0a
Name :
Version: 16.0(a6c0837)-188
Options: search present scan sort extendedServices namedResultSets
Elapsed: 0.752440
Z> base Default
Z> find book
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a bloomin' failure.
Number of hits: 0, setno 1
Result Set Status: none
records returned: 1
Diagnostic message(s) from database:
101 Access-control failure -- v3 addinfo ''
Elapsed: 0.310553

-----
I14. cf.
https://primo-pmtch01sb.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/search?query=any,...

>90 davidgn: I14 -- Either SRU or not using z39.50/SRU at all.

>91 lesmel: Thanks.
Also, update I12: They also used to have an OPAC hosted by Det Kongelige Bibliothek. But it's down. https://ext.kb.dk/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b&local_base=bhu01&con...
So if anyone writes to DKB about I10, the Nationalmuseet, it might make sense to add an inquiry about the Bhutan database as well.

>91 lesmel: Hmm. Actually looks like they have Z-server on tsinghua.alma.exlibrisgroup.com. The problem is the DBname and authentication. I think this one probably warrants staff comms as well to request the credential details.

yaz-client tsinghua.alma.exlibrisgroup.com
Connecting...OK.
Sent initrequest.
Connection accepted by v3 target.
ID : 81
Name : Aleph Server/GFS/YAZ
Version: ALEPH 20/1.1.1.1/2.1.32
Options: search present delSet triggerResourceCtrl scan sort extendedServices namedResultSets
Elapsed: 0.765055
Z> find book
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a bloomin' failure.
Number of hits: 0, setno 1
Result Set Status: none
records returned: 0
Diagnostic message(s) from database:
101 Access-control failure -- v2 addinfo 'Error. Code: 1. Failed to authenticate user.'
Elapsed: 0.395027
Z> base 86THU_INST
Z> find book
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a bloomin' failure.
Number of hits: 0, setno 2
Result Set Status: none
records returned: 0
Diagnostic message(s) from database:
235 Database does not exist -- v2 addinfo '86THU_INST'
Elapsed: 0.333382
Z> base 86TSINGHUA_INST
Z> find book
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a bloomin' failure.
Number of hits: 0, setno 3
Result Set Status: none
records returned: 0
Diagnostic message(s) from database:
235 Database does not exist -- v2 addinfo '86TSINGHUA_INST'
Elapsed: 0.341677
Z> base 86TSU_INST
Z> find book
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a bloomin' failure.
Number of hits: 0, setno 4
Result Set Status: none
records returned: 0
Diagnostic message(s) from database:
235 Database does not exist -- v2 addinfo '86TSU_INST'
Elapsed: 0.329921

Also ... anyone else notice this thread takes forever to load after message 83, pending a connection to https://bam.nr-data.net/ ? Given staff are monitoring the thread: I think someone needs to tell Pedro that New Relic is hiccuping (though cause or symptom, I can't say). Either directly or as a bug report. I'm busy. :-)

>94 davidgn: Also ... anyone else notice this thread takes forever to load after message 83,

Yes, I have observed this as well. That's a separate bug, though. :-)

>94 davidgn: I think it's message 85 with all the touchstones that aren't touchstones but a poor choice to use square brackets.

>93 davidgn: Why is an Alma server saying it's Aleph? That makes no sense.
I think you have the dbname correct. I looked at a PNX record (don't ask it's just a debuging tool for linking access) from their Primo and 86THU_INST appears where I would expect the inst code.

>96 lesmel: I think all Alma servers identify as Aleph -- specifically ALEPH 20.
Z> open kbdk-aub.alma.exlibrisgroup.com
Connecting...OK.
Sent initrequest.
Connection accepted by v3 target.
ID : 81
Name : Aleph Server/GFS/YAZ
Version: ALEPH 20/1.1.1.1/2.1.32
Options: search present delSet triggerResourceCtrl scan sort extendedServices namedResultSets
Elapsed: 0.402634

ETA: Compare an actual Aleph server.
yaz-client aleph500.biblacad.ro:9991
Connecting...OK.
Sent initrequest.
Connection accepted by v3 target.
ID : 81
Name : Aleph Server/GFS/YAZ
Version: ALEPH 23/4.2.66 7fe4b7de2eb91fc87a5c53ff081b15df0c449a0a
Options: search present delSet triggerResourceCtrl scan sort extendedServices namedResultSets
Elapsed: 0.988762

I don't know why, but that's the way it is.

Also, you're probably right about >85 johninvienna:

>96 lesmel: I think it's message 85 with all the touchstones that aren't touchstones but a poor choice to use square brackets.

This makes sense, but I have now tried it five times, observing carefully. The behavior is consistent. The page seems to cease loading after message 83. Message 83 appears in full, message 84 (and 85, etc.) does not appear until after the delay. The problem message may well be 85, but the effect is to cause the loading to suspend at the end of message 83.

I observe that the "Reply | More" command line appears after message 83, but the "Change bug status?" box does not.

I see the same behavior. It gets through 83 and churns and then the rest of the page loads. So, yeah. Let's not derail this bug with another bug. lol

Right, L series.

L1. DEAD, remove from your list.
L2. Has working Alma Zserver, needs staff to contact for credentials.
L3. Connection details are good, weird backend bug going on that has already been reported.
L4. FIXED. Had unreleased this as a duplicate, but unreleased the other duplicate and restored this one instead. That was easy.
L5. No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L6. Now has OPAC at hds.hebis.de, but can't find open Z-ports. Might be worth prodding further if anyone wants to.
L7. Koha at smc.thulb.uni-jena.de, no recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L8. Koha at koha.eunc.edu, no recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L9 & L10. System now called Zenon, zenon.dainst.org. Unreleased L10 as defunct duplicate. I do not recognize the system behind Zenon, and no recognizable open ports found. Sufficiently important and unfamiliar source to warrant staff contact to find whether there is still Z-server available.

L11. Koha on hbr.thulb.uni-jena.de, no recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L12. On Alma, verified Z-server at hbz-rptu.alma.exlibrisgroup.com, dbname 49HBZ_RTU and/or 49HBZ_RTPU, needs staff to request credentials.
L13. Aleph server has changed to aleph.ukma.kiev.ua:9991, dbname used to be KMA_UTF, but can't get searches working on it in test or in yaz-client. Anybody want to take a crack at it?
L14. Don't know what they're running now, but it sure ain't from Innovative anymore. No idea if there's Zserver access, but don't recognize any open Z-ports. OPAC at https://wellcomecollection.org/works?query=title if anybody wants to try to identify.No port 210 open on search.wellcomelibrary.org, so if there's Z39.50 access, it's not via Sierra. Complex system per >101 lesmel: . An important enough source to warrant a staff inquiry.
L15. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L16. On AG Verso. They moved all of their catalogs to a new server address, and none of them seem to work of have recognizable Z-ports open. We're already making inquiries on these and waiting for replies. Ultimately, either none of them will work, or all of them probably will.
L17. Running something from Innovative, port 210 closed, so that's all she wrote. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L18. Running Koha. No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L19. DEAD. Remove from your list. REPLACED. IDS is defunct as such, see "Zentral- und Hochschulbibliothek Luzern" for replacement source with same scope. cf. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informationsverbund_Deutschschweiz
L20. OPAC at s-opac.sap.hokkyodai.ac.jp, No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.

L21. Running Library.Solution PAC. There's an already-internally-reported bug that's affecting all libraries running this system at the moment. Hopefully this will be fixed when/if that bug is fixed.
L22. OPAC on webcat.lib.okayama-u.ac.jp, No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L23. DEAD, remove from your list.
L24. Old Aleph database down ( https://aleph-01.kb.dk/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b&local_base=drh01 ) new opac kongernessamling.reindex.net, but not finding any open Z-ports. Unfamiliar system. Worth poking and/or maybe e-mailing.
L25. Their old OPALS OPAC is defunct, and I can't find any evidence of a library or OPAC for one at http://feldborgfrie.dk/ . Maybe bnielsen can give it a shot, as he has no language barrier?
L26. I renamed to Biblioteket Frederiksberg. Old OPAC at frbbib.axielldrift.dk defunct. New OPAC at https://fkb.dk/search/ting. No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed no Z-server available in new system.
L27. Old Aleph database down. ( https://aleph-01.kb.dk/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b&local_base=grb01 ). New OPAC at https://mus.reindex.net/GRB/main/Landing.php , ditto to L24.
L28. Pretty sure this is now Nordsjaellandshospital (bnielsen , can you confirm)? Library page https://www.nordsjaellandshospital.dk/forskning/tilbud-til-forskere/Sider/Sundhe..., OPAC https://med.reindex.net/HIS/main/Landing.php, so ditto to L24, L27.
L29. Old system at tora.htk.dk definct, OPAC served at https://bibliotek.htk.dk/search/ting cf. L26, No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed no Z-server available in new system.
L30. OPAC at www.bpzoliborz.pl/katalog/ , Running System Biblioteczny MATEUSZ. No recognizable Z-ports open on bpzoliborz.pl, where 210 was open before. Presumed Z-server discontinued.

L31. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L32. Connection is good, but server is throwing Error: Bib1 Error: 14 System error in presenting records -- v2 addinfo, which is likely an issue on the server side. May not be anything we can do.
L33. Running something from Innovative, port 210 closed, so that's all she wrote. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L34. Has moved to Alma. Z-server confirmed at univ-smb.alma.exlibrisgroup.com , access control error. Staff will need to obtain credentials.
L35. Defunct, replaced with SCDI - Service de Coopération Documentaire Interuniversitaire de Montpellier (www.scdi-montpellier.fr) which is on Alma, with four separate linked catalogs. Trying to figure out the components connection details. lesmel, thoughts?
L36. Error on the server side. Someone needs to get them to fix their Z-server. See appendix at >103 davidgn:
L37. FIXED. They moved to Koha, and it works just fine.
L38. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L39. old OPAC at http://161.246.37.11/ defunct. New one at opac.lib.kmitl.ac.th No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed no Z-server available in new system.
L40. Known bug, discussed earlier in this thread.

L41. Renamed to Austin Public Library (Austin, TX). Per LoC gateway, it's aupl.sirsi.net:2200/Unicorn -- and it works from LoC, but port 2200 appears closed from my end, and LT can't connect either. Best interpretation is that staff will have to contact them for IP whitelisting.
L42. Switched to Koha, OPAC at catalogo.uacj.mx , No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L43. Now on Koha at librarycatalogue.nvli.in, No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued. Important enough to still be worth contacting. Debating bolding this one for staff.
L44. Seems to have migrated from Horizon to Alpha server at lib.rsu.ac.th but no recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L45. Renamed Université Paris Cité. Per Wikipedia, "Paris Descartes completely merged with Paris Diderot University in 2019 to form a new Paris Cité University." Has verified Z-server at uspc-upde.alma.exlibrisgroup.com but Access control failure. Staff will need to contact for credentials.
L46. Verified Z-server at colmex.alma.exlibrisgroup.com but access control error. Staff will need to contact for credentials.
L47. Verified Z-server at postech.alma.exlibrisgroup.com but access control error. Staff will need to contact for credentials.
L48. I can't even connect to the OPAC here. No open ports on Aleph server either. Pretty sure it's broken on their end.
L49. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L50. Moved to Follett, but getting access control failure. Staff would need to contact, but hard to justify prioritizing.

L51. Now on Koha at librarycatalogue.nvli.in, No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L52. Ditto L21.
L53. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L54. Appears to be broken on the server end. See appendix. >103 davidgn:
L55. Ditto L54.
L56. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L57. This one is actually interesting. They've moved to Folio, but I can't seem to break out of the EBSCO discovery to get to the underlying catalog and find something that might yield connection details. Anyone have any thoughts? Worst case, we could ask directly.
L58. DEAD. Remove from your list. Replaced with SLSP Swisscovery.
L59. Known weird bug. Presumably ccatalfo is already working on it.
L60. Has moved to Symphony. No recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.

L61. No longer independent catalog, has been rolled into https://www.bibliotheekwb.nl/ from which I have never been able to find a Z-server
L62. Ditto L21, L52.
L63. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L64. Provided credentials no longer work. Staff will have to contact again.
L65. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L66. Running something from Innovative, port 210 closed, so that's all she wrote. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L67. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L68. Running Horizon, no recognized Z-ports open, presumed discontinued Z-server.
L69. Doesn't look like they're running Koha anymore, but I'm not sure what they are running. No recognized Z-ports open, presumed discontinued Z-server. Anybody want to poke?
L70. Running Sierra, port 210 closed, so that's all she wrote. Presumed Z-server discontinued. Moving to FOLIO, though, so may not be dead long.

L71. DEAD. Remove from your list. Defunct as such, merged into Commonwealth University of Pennsylvania. Substitute source "Commonwealth University of Pennsylvania (Bloomsburg, Lock Haven, and Mansfield, PA)"
L72. System still appears to be Aleph server. No recognized Z-ports open. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L73. Has moved to Koha, no recognized Z-ports open. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L74. DEAD. Remove from your list. Appears no longer independently searchable, but searchable via source "OPAL - Ohio Private Academic Libraries"
L75. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L76. Running Millennium, but no recognized Z-ports found, Z-server presumed discontinued.
L77. FIXED. Switched to hosted Unicorn.
L78. Koha at koha.tiss.edu, no recognizable open Z-ports. Presumed Z-server discontinued.
L79. The old OPALS OPAC is defunct (https://sola.kari.opalsinfo.net/), no mention of library or library catalog from website (https://www.sola-afghanistan.org/ ), but any leads would be appreciated. Apparently school has relocated to Rwanda. https://www.thecricket.com/out_and_about/mbts-library-notes-march-11/article_c10...
L80. FIXED. Or rather, re-tested and actually working fine, although seems to be transitioning to Koha.

L81. On Alma, verified Z-server at su.alma.exlibrisgroup.com:1921/65SPO_SP , needs staff to request credentials.
L82. DEAD. Remove from your list.
L83. Moved to Koha. Multiple possible ports are open, but can't connect on any of them. Probably an issue on the server end. See appendix. >103 davidgn:

Have bolded or italicized numbers here and in >88 davidgn: requiring staff correspondence. If OP >1 johninvienna: or anybody else wants to contact any of the others to verify that they're indeed dead (i.e. no longer providing Z39.50 access), by all means, please have at it.

So... are we enlightened? Any other pressing concerns?

>100 davidgn: L14 -- Wellcome

CMS: collections management system. Wellcome’s collections management infrastructure currently
combines five enterprise software systems: Calm, MIMSY XG (both supplied by Axiell Group AB),
Preservica (Preservica Ltd.), Goobi (intranda GmbH) and Sierra (Innovative Interfaces, Inc.)...

4.3 Legacy collections information
Legacy collections information is held across a wide range of hard copy and electronic formats,
including details marked directly onto collections items.
As a security measure and to facilitate access to provenance information about our collections, we
have digitised historic collections management records, including accessions and registration records
for our Core Collections. These records are available online as part of the archives of the Wellcome
Historical Medical Museum and Library:
https://search.wellcomelibrary.org/iii/encore/record/C__Rb1977274...

from their Collections Information Policy

>101 lesmel: Nice find. Still, no port 210 open on search.wellcomelibrary.org, so if there's Z39.50 access, it's not via Sierra. An important enough source to warrant a staff inquiry. I'll bold it.

Appendix.
L36. yaz-client search.library.spu.ac.th:7090
Connecting...OK.
Sent initrequest.
Connection rejected by v3 target.
ID : 81
Name : GFS/YAZ
Version: 5.30.3 2af59bc45cf4508d5c84f350ee99804c4354b3b3
Init response contains 1 otherInfo unit:
1: otherInfo unit contains 1 diagnostic:
1: code=1 (Permanent system error),
addinfo=''
Options: search present triggerResourceCtrl namedResultSets
Elapsed: 0.814867
Z> base biblios
Z> find book
Sent searchRequest.
Target closed connection
Z>

L54. yaz-client 164.100.38.6:1111
Connecting...OK.
Sent initrequest.
Connection rejected by v3 target.
ID : Virtua 0.0a
Name :
Version: 2011.2.18.6(27589)-173
Options: search present scan sort extendedServices namedResultSets
Elapsed: 10.899838

L55. yaz-client naude.bibliotheque-mazarine.fr:9991
Connecting...OK.
Sent initrequest.
Connection accepted by v3 target.
ID : 81
Name : Aleph Server/GFS/YAZ
Version: ALEPH 23/4.2.66 7fe4b7de2eb91fc87a5c53ff081b15df0c449a0a
Options: search present delSet triggerResourceCtrl scan sort extendedServices namedResultSets
Elapsed: 0.363813
Z> base MAZ01
Z> find book
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a bloomin' failure.
Number of hits: 0, setno 1
Result Set Status: none
records returned: 0
Diagnostic message(s) from database:
2 Temporary system error -- v2 addinfo ''
Elapsed: 127.438283
Z>

Right, now it's 3AM and I have other work to do. Help will be appreciated where I've outlined it's needed. Cheers to all.

Awful quiet around here... :-)

Dear davidgn!

Thank you for all your efforts. I am over 80 years old - with some health problems - and actually do not understand all the technical specifications. I LEFT MY SOURCES LIST AS IS, BUT WILL NOW UPDATE IT WITH YOUR LIST WITH THE NUMBERING by deleting all those that dont work. Of course I can enter all the books manually, but I prefer to have a "library" which gives some kind of validation. It seems to me that a lot of the internet progress - is well - getting lost in ever more sophistications and complications. Getting COVID-19 tests with APPS and QR codes (here in Vienna) sometimes works and sometimes does not. The new Parking APP (yes I can use that) now and then sends a e-mail (which I have only on my laptops and main computer - dont want all the damn e-mails on the cell phone - here called a handy!) and recently I had to give up and drive back home. Now I am using public transport to Used Book Shops and taking a TAXI home. One of my main sites at the museum wants you to change passwords every six weeks, they have to be with large and small letters, numbers and special signs and CANNOT be similar to previously used ones. GOOD GRIEF!

I really appreciate your help and would love to have you here one day for a visit to Vienna and our museums. I could help with your finances!
AGAIN THANKS FOR THE EFFORTS. I am still surprised that so many sources that I used for obscure European musuem publications, books in Urdu und Farsi, etc. etc. no longer work but did for many years!

Greetings
John Marshall / Vice President / Weltmuseum Wien Friends and KHM Ambassador

>106 johninvienna:
Hello John, if you have chance, would you consider editing your post #85, >85 johninvienna: to remove the square brackets around each "auto detected as not working" – because square brackets are a device used here for touchstones (links to books), the many square brackets in your post are unfortunately making this topic interminably slow to load every time anybody accesses it. Parentheses ( ) or braces { } are fine, or simply no brackets at all, and that should speed up our page loading time and assist any folk returning here to work on the issue. Thanks!

"Koninklijke Bibliotheekasdf Auto detected as not working"
has been reported above, and is still the case: the books are found, but they can't be added...

>106 johninvienna: Thank you, John. I will keep plugging away at the sources in general as much I'm able, so I hope you'll keep an eye out for new ones over coming weeks and months. And I may be tempted to take you up on your offer some day. :-)

>108 karamazow: That source has gone to OCLC WorldShare and will never be freely accessible again via Z39.50 unless it changes its system, so we can't connect to it from LibraryThing. You should remove it from your list.

>107Nevov
I am at a loss - I don't see any square brackets or did someone else already remove them.
I will copy one entry here the way I see it:
1. University of California, California Digital Library Auto detected as not working
Then I went into edit and saw:
Biblioteka Publiczna w Dzielnicy Żoliborz m.st. Warszawy "square bracket" Auto detected as not working "square bracket"

I never stop learning here even with my biblical age!
Thanks, did not want to cause any problems!

Greetings from foggy Vienna
JOHN

> 109 davidgn

Thanks once again!
I may be travelling to Boston and Maine next year. My best friend here bought a six bedroom summer house in MAINE (good grief). I want to come to Boston to visit once again the
Musuem of Fine Arts and the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum. Also, I have never seen the JFK Library. I would love to take you to dinner or whatever.
I also have over 1,000 duplicate books (don't ask) and about 700 them are already listed on my LibraryThing site under collections "DIUPLICATE". If you find a book
there I can send it or bring it with me.
I will be also carrying a suitcase full of catalogues from our museums here (Weltmuseum Wien, Kunsthistorisches Museum) - if you see a recent publication from them let me know.

My offer for Vienna still stands!

Greetings
JOHN MARSHALL

>110 johninvienna: Thanks very much John, it looks okay now and the topic loads without problems.

Thanks

I just noticed that the BNF source was available again.
I had abdicated... and entered a lot of "books" with the data manually. Exhausting, long work.

Thanks a lot

NLA still seems to be broken.

Example:
https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Search/Home?lookfor=9780975156254&type=all&...

>109 davidgn: I'll be in touch one of these days. :-)

>113 JMK2020: You're welcome. We managed to trick down a subtle bug that was breaking authentication which fixed that, as well as several other major sources.

>114 zetetic23: I'll see if we can troubleshoot this one.

82. Koninklijke Bibliotheekasdf Auto detected as not working
L82. DEAD. Remove from your list.

That would really suck. Can we get some effort in getting this working again? It's the Royal Library of the Netherlands, it should be working.

web based search: https://webggc.oclc.org/cbs/DB=2.37/

perhaps dataservices@kb.nl can be of help.

>116 JerryMmm: They no longer support Z39.50, so it won't work until the SRU support (i.e. support for the relatively more modern SRU protocol) is completed on LT's end, which will fill some very sore gaps. No set date, though, for that.

Hello!

I am not sure this is the right place to report my issue, but still…
All the sources from Lithuania are missing. I’ve been using
1. Lithuanian Union Catalogue
2. National Library of Lithuania
and both are “Auto detected as not working”
Could someone look into this? I would really appreciate it!

More sources are still disappearing. Unfortunately those I did use a lot are no longer available. Many countries have disappeared from the sources list.
There are now 99 countries listed (and a few dependencies) out of 195 countries. And some very large ones have only one - usually insignificant - source or just AMAZON.

For example (population in parenthesis):
CHINA (1.5 billion) - only Amazon
EGYPT (over 100,000,000) - American University of Cairo
ETHIOPIA (120,000,000) - none
KOREA, REPUBLIC OF - (51,000,000) -Ulsan National Institute of Science and Technology (Eonyang-eup, Ulju-gun, Ulsan)
NIGERIA (220,000,000) - West Africa Theological Seminary (Lagos, LA)
VIETNAM (99,576,904) - none

and of course, dozens of smaller countries are now missing, e.g. Bhutan, almost all countries of Africa, former Yugoslavia (Serbia, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Kosovo), etc. etc.
If you open SOURCES, those countries listed with no sources, did at one time have some.

I know there are technical reasons for this - but not all is progress!
I always try to avoid MANUAL, but have to resort to it more and more.

JOHN