CK lost after merging books?
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1.mau.
I just merged the Italian version of Cain's Jawbone with the English one. In the workbench I got a warning, stating that there were multiple CK entries and to check the result; I did, but there is none shown. What's worse, there is stated that there is one entry in Italian but I don't see it. What did I wrong?
2Nevov
The CK history, and then "All" shows that the item added to the Italian CK is the description field:
https://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/changelog.php?item=26123066&typ...
The description is still showing on the work, so I think all is fine, it's perhaps misleading that the description shows as an item of CK when it's not an editable field in the same way as other CK (could this be a legacy from how it was in the past, like how old series used to be in CK and still show up in the edit history, perhaps?)
Edit: typo
https://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/changelog.php?item=26123066&typ...
The description is still showing on the work, so I think all is fine, it's perhaps misleading that the description shows as an item of CK when it's not an editable field in the same way as other CK (could this be a legacy from how it was in the past, like how old series used to be in CK and still show up in the edit history, perhaps?)
Edit: typo
3.mau.
>2 Nevov: well. since the original "Italian" description was actually in English I think it's all ok now. Thanks!
4Cynfelyn
>2 Nevov: "the description shows as an item of CK when it's not an editable field in the same way as other CK"
To be clear, unlike the main box of Common Knowledge fields, where you can change language from within whatever LT language site you are using, just by clicking on the list of languages, you can only enter content or edit this "LibraryThing members' description/Book description" field one language site at a time.
So this field on the the .com (English) page for this book, https://www.librarything.com/work/26123066, is empty, although there is something in the "Book descriptions" field (filled automatically from Amazon or some other commercial source?). Same thing on, e.g. the German site, https://www.librarything.de/work/26123066 . But if you go to the Italian language site page for this book, https://www.librarything.it/work/26123066, you can see where someone has copied that commercial description and presumably created an Italian translation to the "Descrizione degli utenti di LibraryThing/Descrizione del libro" field. If you wanted to edit this field you would have to log into the Italian site.
To be clear, unlike the main box of Common Knowledge fields, where you can change language from within whatever LT language site you are using, just by clicking on the list of languages, you can only enter content or edit this "LibraryThing members' description/Book description" field one language site at a time.
So this field on the the .com (English) page for this book, https://www.librarything.com/work/26123066, is empty, although there is something in the "Book descriptions" field (filled automatically from Amazon or some other commercial source?). Same thing on, e.g. the German site, https://www.librarything.de/work/26123066 . But if you go to the Italian language site page for this book, https://www.librarything.it/work/26123066, you can see where someone has copied that commercial description and presumably created an Italian translation to the "Descrizione degli utenti di LibraryThing/Descrizione del libro" field. If you wanted to edit this field you would have to log into the Italian site.
5Nevov
>4 Cynfelyn:
Thanks for that catch! I had toggled to the Italian CK to look for that, but while remaining on the .com site which I thought would have displayed it, good to point out it needs switching to the relevant language site.
It's clearly inappropriate information to be there, being a copy of the commercial description – as per the wiki "This should be your own summary, not text copied and pasted from a bookstore site or other source. " – so I have removed it from the .it site.
I've noticed a published review as well where the same helper has added a copy/paste of the whole review instead of a short excerpt for fair use, so I'll crop that down too.
Thanks for that catch! I had toggled to the Italian CK to look for that, but while remaining on the .com site which I thought would have displayed it, good to point out it needs switching to the relevant language site.
It's clearly inappropriate information to be there, being a copy of the commercial description – as per the wiki "This should be your own summary, not text copied and pasted from a bookstore site or other source. " – so I have removed it from the .it site.
I've noticed a published review as well where the same helper has added a copy/paste of the whole review instead of a short excerpt for fair use, so I'll crop that down too.
6Nevov
I've dropped a message over to the helper as well (mentioning here since the comment wall is no longer public) for feedback and explanation.
7.mau.
the plot thickens :-)
I just logged in the Italian LT site, and I see that >5 Nevov: deleted the description: but there is still one entry for Italian reported in CK. I don't know it this value is updated asynchronously or it is a bug...
(well, I could add a short description in Italian, so that there will be an entry, but I am not sure it's worth the effort...)
I just logged in the Italian LT site, and I see that >5 Nevov: deleted the description: but there is still one entry for Italian reported in CK. I don't know it this value is updated asynchronously or it is a bug...
(well, I could add a short description in Italian, so that there will be an entry, but I am not sure it's worth the effort...)
8Cynfelyn
>7 .mau.: If you save content to a CK field and then delete it, it remains registered. Including, it seems, the "LibraryThing members' description/Book description" field. One difference is that, because you can't open the field except in the specific LT language site, you can't see the "History" button either.
9Cynfelyn
>5 Nevov: One nice thing about LT is that you can remain logged on to more than one language site. I generally use the .com (English) site, but must have added content to the .de (German) site at some point, and I remain logged on to both as Cynfelyn, and only have to toggle between .com and .de in the URL. I don't know whether someone could remain logged on to three or more languages, if they had good reason to.
Another aspect is that, running two accounts, I have found that rather than having to log in and out, I can remain logged into both by being logged into each in different languages. So I can toggle between the two accounts by toggling the URL between www. (English) and cym. (Welsh). I don't know whether or not it is intentional, but it's very convenient.
Another aspect is that, running two accounts, I have found that rather than having to log in and out, I can remain logged into both by being logged into each in different languages. So I can toggle between the two accounts by toggling the URL between www. (English) and cym. (Welsh). I don't know whether or not it is intentional, but it's very convenient.
