Created series title has been cancelled by someone

I just found out one of our series titles have suddenly disappeared. According to my record dated January 11, 2022 we have 7 items saved under this series title, but today it is no longer there when I added another book under this series.

丁道爾舊約聖經註釋 (Chinese translation of "Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries")
https://www.librarything.com/nseries/196244

We have experienced this problem before. So i don't know which other series titles have disappeared.

I don't know if this problem is caused by directing the Chinese translation version to the English version in the "Work Information" of the catalog. Are we supposed to separate our Chinese titles from the English version?

I hope we can solve this issue as soon as possible because it's frustrating for us to go back checking and redo each record again and again.

Thank you.

The versions in different languages belong in the same work. If you recreate the series, make it a publishers series. Most of the copies in those works are not part of a Chinese translation series.

A regular series should include all the copies in the work.

>1 ECCClibrary: Is the series not the same as https://www.librarything.com/nseries/1104/Tyndale-Old-Testament-Commentaries ? If it is there should be only one series regardless of language. You can add a series name in a different language by clicking on "Edit Series" then "Series Names" then "Add Series Name"

>2 MarthaJeanne: It is a series title, why I have to make it as publisher series? Our users will unable to find it in their own language.

>3 norabelle414: I have created the series title in Chinese language already. Why the system can't accommodate other languages??

>5 ECCClibrary: I have done the steps in >3 norabelle414: and now you should see the Chinese name for the series on the Chinese language site at https://cn1.librarything.com/nseries/1104/Tyndale-Old-Testament-Commentaries
(I wasn't sure if this was simplified Chinese or traditional Chinese so I added it as both.)

>6 norabelle414: Thanks, Nora, for your direction in creating translated titles under the English version. It will help me not to waste time going back to check and redo all the records again, though there are still work waiting for me to check, because some series titles have been deleted or changed to publisher series without consultation with me.

I still have one more question right now. What should we do if the English work doesn’t have series title, but we have one for the Chinese version?

I used to create the Chinese series title for our book, but it will be taken away from our record after a while. Possibly someone don’t want it to display on their catalog record?? Too bad all subsequently added copies of the work (any languages) will be directed to the English version. I think we should be allowed to display the series title in our language on our records.

>7 ECCClibrary: It's one of the requests that had been there for years - allow the series name to be shown based on the language of the book. Maybe one day. One thing you can do is to add a "Series name" in Chinese - even if they are not used at the moment, the data can be used one day (And it will be on the series page if someone opens it). Not perfect but... that's the best LT can do now.

For cases where there is a Chinese series but not an English one:
- If the series is a publisher series, just add it as such (if the book is part of the series in Chinese but not in English, it is a publisher series by definition; if it is a regular series, all copies of the book, regardless of their language will belong to it)
- If the series is an actual series and the English/original language series just does not exist (or the book is just not added), add the book to it/create the appropriate series.

>8 AnnieMod: Thanks Annie, "If the series is an actual series and the English/original language series just does not exist (or the book is just not added), add the book to it/create the appropriate series." ---- This is the case I referred to in my last posting. The Chinese series title will be deleted/or changed by someone later on.

Even though I did what Nora told me, the series title in our language will not be displayed in the TinyCat. That is where our users access our collections online, and they cannot search/or find what we have in our collection under that series.
TinyCat only displays the hyperlinked English title in the Chinese record. It doesn't make sense, is not helpful to our users.

>9 ECCClibrary: Yes, because if you create a series in Chinese, everyone is stuck with the Chinese regardless of their own language - that's why it will be changed into an English one usually (or another language if that is the original). The appropriate series is the global series - not the language version (as much as I wish this was not the case).

I understand that it is not helpful for your users but having an otherwise English series showing with Chinese letters everywhere is going to be extremely unhelpful for everyone who does not read Chinese.

Now... I am not sure if something like this can done in TinyCat but in the regular catalog, these language names are used (in a fashion). See
https://www.librarything.com/catalog/AnnieMod&&collection=-1&deepsea...
(make sure the view shows the series).

See how it says "Erast Fandorin (1) — Приключения Эраста Фандорина (Russian)"? and not just "Erast Fandorin (1)". It is not perfect but it is a lot better than what we used to have - it shows Russian because my book is in Russian; the series title has 3 different translations - the rest are not shown. In your case it will show the Chinese for series where you have the Chinese translation filled in as long as the translation language and your book language are the same.

So the question becomes - can this be shown in TinyCat? And for that you need the group about TinyCat, not the Series group I am afraid :)

Hope this makes sense.

Ahh, TinyCat! That's a whole separate issue.

The TinyCat group can be found here: https://www.librarything.com/ngroups/18541/TinyCat
I don't know if they have support for different languages.

One work-around you could try in case TinyCat can't support different languages is to just add the name of the series to the titles of the books in your catalog. You can edit "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" to say "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (Harry Potter, Book 1)" (but in Chinese, of course). It doesn't look great but the information is all there for your users to see.

The real basic problem here is that LibraryThing/TinyCat pretends to accommodate more languages than English, but does it only in a very incomplete way. It is an English site, with some limited support for other languages.

>10 AnnieMod: TinyCat is just a mirror of what can be displayed in the LibraryThing catalogued records (WYSIWYG). TinyCat is for use by our users. We are allowed to select our indexed fields and layout to display. The series title problem has to be fixed in the LibraryThing programming.

I wish they can create a field similar to the "other call number" to accommodate series titles in other language.

>13 ECCClibrary: I know what TinyCat is :) But it has its own rules and what you can see in the main catalog and what you see in TinyCat are different things sometimes. As I said - ask the question in the TinyCat group as you need a TinyCat solution, not a pure LT one.

>12 anglemark: Agree. I just discovered it after re-indexing our records again and again but in vain.