Cannot delete certain author CK even on the relevant language site

There seems to be a new bug with the site not accepting deletion of certain non-English CK fields on an author page (date of birth, date of death, gender), even when you are logged into the relevant language LT.

After I combined the following author, there were combination issues highlighted due to CK on a secondary name:
https://www.librarything.com/author/bayldongeoffrey/issues
These relate to Welsh-language CK (cym.librarything.com).

Initially when I went to remove it, there was also some English CK (which all removed without trouble), and then switched to cym.librarything to remove the Welsh CK.
The Welsh CK was: 1) date of birth, 2) date of death, 3) gender, 4) birthplace, 5) occupation.
It has permitted deletion of 4) and 5), but 1), 2), 3) persist and cannot be deleted whether on www.librarything or cym.librarything. Cynfelyn has also attempted to delete (thank you for trying) but no joy.

By coincidence today, I've also found this author which is a second example of the same:
https://www.librarything.com/author/robertshearman
whose CK has an incorrect date of birth and gender in Turkish CK (tr.librarything.com). The same applies, it does not appear possible to remove these fields despite trying in both tr.librarything and www.librarything.

I can't swear that it's a new bug, but I found a couple of threads talking about other language CK and neither seems to reference entirely undeletable fields, only that one needs to be in the relevant language-LT. They're both still open so I'll link to them here in case it wants to be rolled together:
https://www.librarything.com/topic/324356 (topic is quite swiss-cheesed with removed messages)
https://www.librarything.com/topic/327497

>1 Nevov:

I can't swear that it's a new bug,

It's not, but I can't find the old report.

Probably related to this: https://www.librarything.com/topic/327497

Also reported at https://www.librarything.com/topic/339270 (DOB & gender cannot be removed from stranded CK data on .de and .fr).

Can we check this again?
There was an unrelated bug that I fixed this week and that could have fixed this problem.

>4 conceptDawg:
>Can we check this again?

I've rechecked with the combinations issues example for the author in post 1.
On .com, when I remove the errant Welsh-language CK it still reappears on reloading the page.
Logging into cym. no difference either, trying to remove the errant Welsh-language CK it also reappears.

Ditto with the Turkish language example in post 1. So, sorry to report no change with this bug.

>5 Nevov: Thanks for rechecking. I was hopeful but alas, there is work to be done.

An other exemple

From .fr

https://www.librarything.fr/author/hashizumebun/issues

CK fields impossible to delete : Date of birth and Gender

Bump. This is still happening.

CK problem 1st publishing (for .fr version)
Impossible to change
https://www.librarything.fr/work/14748686

See more in desambiguation note

After entering the CK information for OPD and Original Titles in LT.de, they are not displayed.
After switching to LT.com, however, they appear.

Similar problems continue to exist with genres.

Other example after separation/desambiguation

.fr version CK Genre can't deleted

https://www.librarything.fr/author/blancpierre/issues

Other example for CK book with / Between .fr and .com

.fr : https://www.librarything.fr/work/14494749
.com : https://www.librarything.com/work/14494749

Can't change .fr version (all CK data came initially from french. I add these some time ago and i just want to complete some time after (today))

difference :
- Original title (3e line missing in french)
- Original publication date (can't add to complete 3e line)

So see desambiguation note (.fr) for data

nb : same pb as 9 in this file

However 7 is correct now

Thank you. We are still trying to detangle this in the data.

Other example
difference between .fr and .com CK Field
Date de naissance vs Date of birth

1914 for .fr and 1914-01-13 for .com
Impossible to change .fr
Original data was in french and complete (id est 1914-01-13)

https://www.librarything.com/author/trnardlouis

Other example :
difference between .fr and .com CK Field
Date de naissance vs Date of birth

1931 for .fr and 1931-02-28 for .com
Impossible to change .fr
Original data was in french and complete

https://www.librarything.fr/author/thibautjacques

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Nota Bene : I add these example in this file to remember and so change in the future if bug is corrected

>15 JMK2020: You could also use your personal wiki page for that sort of record keeping. (Every LT user can make one.)

https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/User:JMK2020

>16 karenb:
I'll watch that
Tx

Just to remember this bug :
Impossible to complete / change date born/death
Here in spanish version :

https://www.librarything.es/author/rasmatilde

acimiento 1 de septiembre de 1881
Fallecimiento 15 de abril de 1969

Just to remember this bug :
Impossible to complete / change date born/death (from .fr or .nl), it's ok from .com (so for english)
Here in french version from .fr :

https://www.librarything.fr/author/gobryivan

so, see
Notice de désambigüisation
PROBLEM CK
Date de naissance : 1927-03-08
Date de décès : 2017-08-03

it's almost a birthday : one year since the opening of this file

Just to remember this bug :
Impossible to complete / change date born/death (from .fr), it's ok from .com (so for english)

https://www.librarything.fr/author/rougeriejacques-1

so, see
Notice de désambigüisation
Problem CK :
Date de naissance :
1932-01-05

and not just 1932

Thanks for the bumps and the current examples. (As long as there is one live example, no further examples are needed and it will just clutter up the thread, making it harder for us to scan the issue once we're able to get to it.)

Unfortunately, I don't see this getting the time it needs for a while longer, so I really appreciate your patience in the meantime!

Fixed. Let us know if you find that not to be the case.

>22 conceptDawg: I have been able to remove the CK in the examples I gave in >1 Nevov:. Looks promising!

>22 conceptDawg:

Giant ;-) Thanks a lot

>23 Nevov:

It seems it's Ok

Good news for all that (Date of birth and date Original publication date...)

So this file is OK too after some test :
https://www.librarything.fr/topic/338817#n8081896

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Some time after and many test/correction in different languages (and version of LBTh, with different account)...

YES, IT SEEMS OK

>22 conceptDawg:
Sorry
Bug (minor) with mutiple (same) datas (in displays)

Pb with display
See here (.fr / Style "D"):
https://www.librarything.fr/catalog/JMK2020

3rd book
Titre :
Une brève histoire du tracteur en Ukraine
...
CK: Original title (x4)
A Short History of Tractors in…
A Short History of Tractors in…
A Short History of Tractors in…
A Short History of Tractors in…

CK: Orig. Pub (x4)
2005 (British ed.)
2005-03-31
2005
2005

>25 JMK2020: That looks like the book was combined recently and all the data got smushed into the fields.

>22 conceptDawg: Thank you.

Finally I can enter data in LT.de again. Also data I entered in LT.com is now displayed in .de.
At least this is true for OPDs. In Mac/Firefox after the change a "Refresh" is necessary for the display.

A new problem has appeared in .de.
Double clicking in the OPD field in my catalog, I get into edit mode, but I can only make new entries. The existing ones are not even displayed.
Possibly this is the same error that >25 JMK2020: has already pointed out.

Of the first 100 entries in my library have:
- 53 no OPD entry
- 47 one or more entries.
- 32 one date* (*probably correct date) https://www.librarything.de/work/15921439/book/233080297.
- 13 two or more dates* https://www.librarything.de/work/12289727/book/211722124.
- 5 books one duplicate identical date*, one of which should be deleted° (°in my opinion) https://www.librarything.de/work/9530166/book/235532735.
- 7 books more than one identical date*, all but one of which should be deleted° .
- 9 books more than one date*, of which some {14 entries total} should be deleted°.
- 5 books with more than one entry ( 1 OPD* and >=1* other entries {11 remarks total} https://www.librarything.de/work/26620127/book/211316208.
- 2 OPD* with remarks https://www.librarything.de/work/23805526/book/215583570

This raises some questions:
- Why can multiple OPDs be entered at all. In my view, a work can only have one original publication date. Aren't first editions of translations of a work simply first editions of the respective language?
- I can live with it if the general opinion is different. But in that case, I would like the OPD to always appear as the first date, and editions of other editions should necessarily be specially marked.
- Double, identical entries, as well as dates referring to other editions (new editions, new translations etc.) should not be allowed.

I know that these points have already been discussed.
It would be good if an agreement could be reached on what should and should not be done. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

>27 birder4106:
The bug with editing CK directly via the field in "Your books" sounds like it could be this bug?: /topic/338817#7738618
(if not, might want to post it as a new bug so it's clear for the developers what you have uncovered and they can investigate from a clean start).

The usage questions about multiple original publication date:
The site Help pages give a bit of info with links to some discussions:
https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Common_Knowledge#Original_publication_da...
This: /topic/22575 is what I think was the main discussion of the OPD field when it was added in 2007, could hold some answers.
There is this one in the CK group: /topic/144805 has some specific points but petered out.
(Or you might prefer to post a new discussion)

Since the original bug for this thread was fixed you'll want to report new bugs if you find them. Things get confusing when we have multiple bug reports mixed up in the same thread.

>28 Nevov:
Thank you for the hints. That explains a lot.

>29 conceptDawg:
Of course, you are right.
Nevertheless, I hope that you will also occasionally take care of these problems.

https://www.librarything.de/author/clinmarieveronique

Date of death is false, i can't errase in .de
She's not dead !!

>31 JMK2020: You're right - Weird - even though I log in to the .de site the history still shows me as editing the Eng CK even though I explicitly select the German.

https://www.librarything.com/author/clinmarieveronique

Dates and gender are not kept separate by language, so she shows as dead in .com as well, although the date isn't in the CK there.

Strange data in this field "Original publication date".
not updated after datas modification in . fr after enter
...
but it' ok in .Com with french data,
so we've 2 problem : in .com, it's french data after modification and no mofication in . fr

https://www.librarything.fr/work/11726794/summary/239384028

https://www.librarything.com/work/11726794/summary/239384028

problem is in .fr
How delete here https://www.librarything.fr/author/girardlouis/issues
this :
Date de naissance : 1911-09-16
Date de décès : 2003-02-02

. com
"Combination issues. This author has combination issues that need to be cleared up."

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And other problem here can't modify "1955--03-03" in "1955-03-03"
https://www.librarything.fr/author/modranyves

>29 conceptDawg:
see 35

>36 JMK2020: We're going to keep this thread fixed. If you could, please create a brand new bug report (ideally with none of your abbreviations, because we cannot easily read them/translate them) with clear steps to reproduce the issue.