On Tyranny graphic edition
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1labfs39
On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century
by Timothy Snyder originally published in 2017 was republished in 2021 with significant illustrations by an artist on every page.
I believe that this constitutes a new edition. It's a significant change with an additional author. There is a disambiguation notice, however, saying it is not. Thoughts?
by Timothy Snyder originally published in 2017 was republished in 2021 with significant illustrations by an artist on every page.
I believe that this constitutes a new edition. It's a significant change with an additional author. There is a disambiguation notice, however, saying it is not. Thoughts?
2MarthaJeanne
Let's go off to our LT cocktail party.
A: We both have On Tyranny. My favourite illustration is ..., but I also feel that the picture of ... really makes the statement shine. Which ones do you like?
B: Pictures?
A: I can't imagine the text without Nora Krug's illustrations.
From Timothy Snyder's website:
In this graphic edition, Nora Krug draws from her highly inventive art style in Belonging--at once a graphic memoir, collage-style scrapbook, historical narrative, and trove of memories--to breathe new life, color, and power into Snyder's riveting historical references, turning a quick-read pocket guide of lessons into a visually striking rumination. In a time of great uncertainty and instability, this edition of On Tyranny emphasizes the importance of being active, conscious, and deliberate participants in resistance.
Sounds like a different reading experience to me.
BTW, I have just told my library that I want Belonging (Krug) (the German edition) and asked my bookstore to get me On Tyranny : Graphic Edition
A: We both have On Tyranny. My favourite illustration is ..., but I also feel that the picture of ... really makes the statement shine. Which ones do you like?
B: Pictures?
A: I can't imagine the text without Nora Krug's illustrations.
From Timothy Snyder's website:
In this graphic edition, Nora Krug draws from her highly inventive art style in Belonging--at once a graphic memoir, collage-style scrapbook, historical narrative, and trove of memories--to breathe new life, color, and power into Snyder's riveting historical references, turning a quick-read pocket guide of lessons into a visually striking rumination. In a time of great uncertainty and instability, this edition of On Tyranny emphasizes the importance of being active, conscious, and deliberate participants in resistance.
Sounds like a different reading experience to me.
BTW, I have just told my library that I want Belonging (Krug) (the German edition) and asked my bookstore to get me On Tyranny : Graphic Edition
3wester
I do feel this is a difficult case, right between special editions like The deluxe, illustrated edition of Alice in Wonderland is the same work as a humble Dover edition and some edition or language differences are so major as to be socially significant: The Kama Sutra is not the same as the The Pop-Up Kama Sutra. In theory the same text, the content is really quite different.
My opinion is that they are different enough to separate, but you could also argue that the illustrations don't make more of a difference here than they do with Alice in Wonderland. You could have the cocktail party conversation above about any book that has both illustrated and unillustrated editions.
Probably best to get more opinions (including the one of the person who wrote the disambiguation notice) before starting the big job of separating them.
Oh, the rules are here https://www.librarything.com/concepts#works
My opinion is that they are different enough to separate, but you could also argue that the illustrations don't make more of a difference here than they do with Alice in Wonderland. You could have the cocktail party conversation above about any book that has both illustrated and unillustrated editions.
Probably best to get more opinions (including the one of the person who wrote the disambiguation notice) before starting the big job of separating them.
Oh, the rules are here https://www.librarything.com/concepts#works
4scott_beeler
In my opinion these are distinct enough to be separated.
5labfs39
>2 MarthaJeanne: It sounds like even Timothy Snyder (or his publisher) considers the graphic edition a different work.
>3 wester: Is there a way to find out who wrote the disambiguation note? I would be happy to chat with them. Also, is there an arbiter who makes final decisions?
In my mind there is a significant difference between an illustrated version with perhaps 20 illustrations in a 200 page book, and a graphic version where every page is first and foremost a visual experience.
The issue came up on a graphic novels thread. I am trying to link to the graphic edition, but can't because it's subsumed in the text version. Clearly a different subset of readers is trying to get at one version, which tells me it is distinct enough to warrant being its own work.
>4 scott_beeler: Thanks for chiming in
>3 wester: Is there a way to find out who wrote the disambiguation note? I would be happy to chat with them. Also, is there an arbiter who makes final decisions?
In my mind there is a significant difference between an illustrated version with perhaps 20 illustrations in a 200 page book, and a graphic version where every page is first and foremost a visual experience.
The issue came up on a graphic novels thread. I am trying to link to the graphic edition, but can't because it's subsumed in the text version. Clearly a different subset of readers is trying to get at one version, which tells me it is distinct enough to warrant being its own work.
>4 scott_beeler: Thanks for chiming in
6lilithcat
>5 labfs39:
Is there a way to find out who wrote the disambiguation note?
Yes. On any CK field, if you click the "edit" button, you'll see another labeled "history". If you click on that, you can see the prior edits. In this case, the person who wrote the note was villemezbrown
As to the basic question, personally, I'd combine the two if the texts are the same. But I think I've been outvoted. ;-))
Is there a way to find out who wrote the disambiguation note?
Yes. On any CK field, if you click the "edit" button, you'll see another labeled "history". If you click on that, you can see the prior edits. In this case, the person who wrote the note was villemezbrown
As to the basic question, personally, I'd combine the two if the texts are the same. But I think I've been outvoted. ;-))
7labfs39
>6 lilithcat: Thank you I will send them a message.
For what it's worth, both the Library of Congress and WorldCat consider them separate works.
For what it's worth, both the Library of Congress and WorldCat consider them separate works.
8MarthaJeanne
Apparently the text was somewhat updated.
11MarthaJeanne
My copy arrived, and I didn't want it in the general pot. I bought it for the graphic edition.
I've not read it yet. I have borrowed Heimat : ein deutsches Familienalbum (i.e. the German of Belonging) from the library and want to read that first.
I've not read it yet. I have borrowed Heimat : ein deutsches Familienalbum (i.e. the German of Belonging) from the library and want to read that first.
12labfs39
Similarly, I am curating a list of graphic novel recommendations from the Club Read Graphic Stories thread, and I couldn't link to the graphic edition. Thank you for separating them!
13Nevov
>11 MarthaJeanne: >12 labfs39: If they're distinct works, may I suggest revising the disambiguation note on the non-graphic because it currently gives the impression that they should be combined.
