Acronym Agencies like NASA & AMA

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Acronym Agencies like NASA & AMA

1lalaithan
Modificato: Ott 21, 2021, 12:43 pm

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2MarthaJeanne
Modificato: Ott 20, 2021, 3:05 pm

Nasa has already been divided. There remains some work to do, then the various divisions could be aliased to related author pages.

AMA has already been divided and aliased.

It can be harder than you would think in some cases. It is better to leave a work unassigned unless you can find evidence that it belongs to a certain author.

3lalaithan
Modificato: Ott 20, 2021, 3:06 pm

>2 MarthaJeanne: Those were only two examples, and as I said there are variations out there even of those.

I assume that's why this group exists. I usually don't go poking around author pages unless I physically have a book/copy.

4MarthaJeanne
Modificato: Ott 20, 2021, 3:20 pm

Dividing and aliasing of authors is one of the things that combiners do. It is work, and requires a good deal of research skills at times. If you see something that needs work you can always bring it up here and be shown how to deal with it. I wouldn't start with the biggies, though. You should NOT combine divided pages. (Yes, there are a few exceptions, but they should only be done by experienced combiners who are able to clean up their own messes.)

Also, in general it is not a good idea to combine abbreviations with their 'full name', as almost every abbreviation is short for more than one thing, or is a word in its own right in some language. Taking bad combinations apart can be time consuming.

5AnnieMod
Ott 20, 2021, 3:21 pm

>1 lalaithan: "Would the best approach be to combine the works attributed to the professional groups under their full names? "

When the works themselves have different copies under different authors, you combine the works. Getting them under the same author is trickier.

You cannot combine the authors - if you combine AMA with Association of Merlot Amateurs and AMA with Association of Marine Associations, you combine the Association of Merlot Amateurs with the Association of Marine Associations - which is wrong :) And you should not be using the "primary Author" overwriting for moving the books to the correct pages in such cases.

That's what splitting and aliasing is all about.

As >4 MarthaJeanne: said, if you have an example/question, come and post and someone will assist/answer questions.

As it is, the question is a bit too broad so what exactly do you expect to get as answers? Best practices? Something else?

6lorax
Ott 20, 2021, 3:26 pm

That help section needs to be edited. "Go ahead and mess around and let someone else spend hours cleaning up your messes" is not good advice.

7lalaithan
Ott 21, 2021, 1:07 pm

>5 AnnieMod: I wasn't using the primary author field to do anything on purpose, what happened was me importing a lot of books from Goodreads that ended up with things every which way which is not my fault, it's some sort of programming on this website. In correcting some of these automated errors, I saw other errors on the website (this specific topic of acronym authors (no, not specifically just NASA or AMA--ANY "author" that uses acronyms) having something like 30 options to choose from that aren't combined) along the way of fixing my own books and I mistook this group allowing general questions instead of specific examples. Perhaps there should be more clear explanations all over the website including this group and some adjustments to the import script.

>6 lorax: That's not what it's saying (kind of the point of copying and pasting the exact sentence) and I even made a point of saying I don't want to make a mess.

Until this one post, I only searched the forums for my question and I notice a lot of this kind of snobbery (Again, since it needs to be extremely clear apparently, this is a generalization. If you want a specific case: "mess around", "let someone else spend hours cleaning up your messes") versus actually explaining things in a way that isn't from a perspective of "my way is the pure way & you've got ill intentions" and even quite a few of "this person is doing it wrong let's call them out on it".

I'm sorry if I stumbled on some kind of club for professional librarians who are trained in cataloguing, I only wanted to clear up things and help out where I saw errors *without* making a mess. The help sections are editable wiki-style, go change them to something that keeps us plebians out. As for me, LibraryThing is not going to work in my case because I don't have the time to fix all of the import errors with outdated help sections and judgy people lurking in the forums assuming I'm making messes on purpose.

8AnnieMod
Ott 21, 2021, 1:19 pm

>7 lalaithan: We are fine with generic questions - as long as we know what you are asking and what you expect :)

It is easier to help/answer/explain when there is an example - otherwise we all get flashbacks to the worst cases we ever had to untangle. :) So we get cautious and start warning what not to do :)

So do you want to share an example so we can work with you on it/discuss? Part of the problem at the moment is that I am really not sure how exactly someone can answer/help and assist :(

>7 lalaithan: "I'm sorry if I stumbled on some kind of club for professional librarians who are trained in cataloguing"

Not really :)

9gilroy
Ott 21, 2021, 9:01 pm

>8 AnnieMod: Oh they pulled a major flounce with that post.

10abbottthomas
Ott 22, 2021, 4:28 am

Sometimes only a flounce will do!