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1margd
Mar 27, 2021, 6:32 am

Michigan GOP chair seen on video calling state's female leaders "witches" and joking about assassinating Republicans who voted for Trump impeachment
Jason Silverstein | March 26, 2021

...responding to audience questions at the North Oakland Republican Club about unseating U.S. Representatives Fred Upton and Peter Meijer, two Michigan Republicans who voted in favor of Mr. Trump's second impeachment. Weiser told the crowd that the only way to change leadership was "to get out and vote," and said his first priorities were other Michigan races.

"We're focused on the three witches," Weiser said...three female leaders who are all up for reelection in 2022: Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Attorney General Dana Nessel and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson. All three are Democrats and became GOP targets for their opposition to Mr. Trump and his attempts to overturn his defeat in Michigan.

Whitmer, in particular, has been subjected to misogynist criticism over her handling COVID-19 restrictions. She was also allegedly targeted for a failed kidnapping plot.

Some audience members pushed back on Weiser's response, demanding answers about how to handle "witches in our own party." (Upton and Maejer?)

..."Other than assassination, I have no other way other than voting out, okay?" Weiser responded. "You people have to go out there and support their opponents. You have to do what you need to get out the vote in those areas. That's how you beat people."

Weiser called the women "witches" in a different part of his comments as well, saying Republicans wanted to "soften up those three witches and make sure that we have good candidates to run against them, that they are ready for the burning at the stake."...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ron-weiser-michgan-republican-party-comments-offici...

2Limelite
Mar 28, 2021, 3:37 pm

Parler-Using Seditionists Whine When It Gives Them 'Free Speech' Lesson

Apparently the right wing nut job social media favorite obeyed the law and its domestic terrorist users feel betrayed. In a letter to Congress Parler spilled the beans, saying that the company "referred violent content and incitement from Parler's platform (to the FBI) over 50 times before January 6th" as well as "specific threads of violence" relating to events being planned at the Capitol on Jan. 6, which it is required to do by law.
"The First Amendment does not protect violence inciting speech, nor the planning of violent acts. Such content violates Parler's TOS. Any violent content shared with law enforcement was posted publicly and brought to our attention primarily via user reporting. And, as it is posted publicly, it can properly be referred to law enforcement by anyone."
Apparently the fans of the violent overthrow of the US government, cop-killing advocates, racial murder plotters, and other militia gang riff-raff are as ignorant as they are brutish.

SMACK!

3Limelite
Modificato: Apr 2, 2021, 3:00 pm

DC Barricade Rammer in Custody

#1 BREAKING: Suspect (Male) Has Died
#2 BREAKING: Capitol Police Officer Has Also Died from Injuries

UNKNOWN IF ATTEMPTED TERRORIST ATTACK

Car ran past barricade and would not stop. However, suspect jumped from vehicle with a knife and was shot. Suspect motive unknown.

Two Capitol Police officers threw themselves in front of vehicle trying to ram barricade surrounding US Capitol. Both listed in critical condition. The officers and the suspect have been air-lifted by helicopter after shots fired. At least one person reported shot.

Capitol had been (and may still remain) under lockdown due to "security threat."

No one has suggested incident a mere accident by inattentive driver entranced by cherry blossoms.

4Limelite
Modificato: Apr 2, 2021, 3:00 pm

Florida Man* Arrested by FBI

(Is "Florida Man" a trade-marked phrase yet?) After posting threat to storm the Capitol again, a Davie, FL man was arrested for his bravado message on the social media site Discord March 11. (Pay wall) See Raw Story
"(January 6) was the breaking point for a lot of people but they're cowering in fear again because of incarceration." He later wrote that the event was "our Boston Tea Party."

"I'LL F------ DO IT AGAIN," he wrote in a subsequent post.
The FBI is not fooling around with these insurrectionists now that Merrick Garland is giving Director Wray his orders. Lean in and lean hard, appears to be the order of the day.

5John5918
Apr 3, 2021, 12:07 am

Warning that police grasp of far-right threat is decade out of date (Guardian)

The police’s understanding of the far-right extremist threat in the UK is a decade behind the curve because it is based primarily on an understanding of yesterday’s organisations, according to a leading expert...

6Molly3028
Modificato: Apr 5, 2021, 8:52 am

https://www.mediaite.com/news/half-of-republicans-wrong-about-capitol-riots/
Shock Poll: Half of Republicans Believe False Accounts of January 6th Capitol Riots

"But despite numerous videos that have emerged, many of which were shown during Trump’s second impeachment trial, half of Republicans polled believed that the insurrection was either a peaceful protest or led by leftists groups as some calculated way to make Trump supporters look bad. For real."

Since GOPers make up about 25% of the total voters, this means only 12/13% of the total believe the bullsh*t they have been spoon fed by Trump and his remaining core enablers. Sadly, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Some people appear wired to be clueless and gullible souls.

7lriley
Apr 5, 2021, 9:11 am

#6–there are plenty of synopses of the capitol riot arrested to be found online from NPR, the FBI itself, from USA Today just for example with pictures with them very often in full Trumpian regalia on January 6. The little write ups on them a smorgasbord of right wing grievances—numerous of the q-anon afflicted, numerous militia types particularly oath keepers and proud boys, numerous white supremacists, quite a number of cops and ex-cops. Lots of former military, a few of the anti-vaccine brigade and a handful of republican pols. There’s bios of what brought them all there for anyone who wonders what the hell. The closest thing to a leftist is maybe John Sullivan a black man from Utah who has some link to BLM but wears a Trump hat to the riot and is adamant about not being antifa.

8Molly3028
Modificato: Apr 7, 2021, 11:34 am

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/they-just-walked-in-tucker-carlsons-bizarre-rev...
‘They Just Walked In’: Tucker Carlson’s Bizarre Revisionist Defense of Capitol Rioters

Tucker wants to whitewash what his fellow travelers ~ white nationalists and white supremacists ~ did that eventful day and witnessed live by people around the globe. TC is off his meds, as usual. This is the bullsh*t Murdoch pays him to shovel out to the clueless, gullible FOX viewers.

9lriley
Apr 7, 2021, 11:54 am

#8–well if I just walk into a building or someone’s house after I or an accomplice has just busted out some windows or broken through a door that’s breaking and entering which is a felony and I would think any adult who isn’t a complete idiot realizes that. Having a huge crowd behind me doesn’t change that and if that huge crowd beats up a bunch of policemen—even killing one—sent to guard the building that just adds felonies on top of felonies and if some of these louts damage and desecrate what’s inside and take items out no matter the value they are committing more crimes and none of this is really controversial to the laws of the United States let alone the laws of practically every country on the fucking planet.

10Limelite
Modificato: Apr 27, 2021, 10:16 am

"Certify Trump or Get Lynched"

No telling yet if Trump's DOJ, USAG, and FBI Dir. were and remain engaged in a cover up of the reality that the Jan 6th Insurrection was NEVER a political rally but was always a planned riotous attack on the Capitol with deliberate planning to assassinate America's elected representatives as well as specifically target Dr. Anthony Fauci. But what we now know is, this statement is a LIE. A lie revealed today in an NBC report.
"We do not have at this point someone explicitly saying our plan is to force entry into the Capitol in order to stop the certification," an assistant U.S. attorney told a federal judge on March 12.
Absolute verified, documented BULLSHIT.

Beyond the date of the Insurrection itself, well in advance of the so-called rally event are hundreds of posts, tips, and photos about plans to attack the Capitol immediately from leaving the Trump frenzy-whipping.

Read the article. It is damning and undeniable. And the still chilling fact is that the US government has FAILED to use ANY of the online EVIDENCE in prosecuting a single rebel perp since charged with namby-pamby B&E, attacking police, destroying federal property, attempting to disrupt governmental legal business, etc., etc., etc.

That stinks of a cover-up and deliberate efforts to minimize the attempted overthrow of our democracy by Trump Stormtroopers. These "supporters" were in their hundreds -- not just a few Proud Boys -- all intent on crushing police, storming the "fortress", hunting, capturing, immobilizing, and lynching (primarily) Democratic Congresspeople and Senators and Dr. Fauci because they had been riled up into a mob mentality by a deliberate campaign of lies designed to create a fog of fabrication intended to provoke violent acts of malice, mayhem and murder that day.

They talked about it for days if not weeks in advance of 1/6/21. There was reporting in news long before 1/6/21 of what was going on in social media and online. Full knowledge of intent -- not idle talk, not empty threats, not bravura boasting -- by those who congregated on Washington, D.C. that day to make war on the US government. War plans included maps of the Capitol floor plan and tunnel system, instructions to attend the "rally" with handcuffs and zip ties, discussions of the weapons to bring, tactics to overcome Capitol Police and resistance, how to tie hangman's nooses, and where to take captives to be hanged on hastily constructed gallows. All of which demands the acknowledgement of PRIOR PLANNING in order to assign teams to the tasks of storming; of hunting; of capturing; or noose making; of gallows construction. Done at the behest, encouragement, and demands of the Worst President Ever and his Republican henchmen.

Nothing less. Nothing.

11John5918
Apr 27, 2021, 12:18 am

US homeland security review to address threat of extremism within agency (Guardian)

The US Department of Homeland Security on Monday announced an internal review to address the threat of domestic violent extremism within the sprawling federal agency. Homeland security secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said senior DHS officials would explore ways to detect and prevent extremism within...

12Limelite
Apr 27, 2021, 10:48 am

Authorities Indict Two: Georgia neo-Nazi Terror Cell, the "Base"

All because the indictees killed a goat. . .

. . .authorities describe (the Base) as a criminal gang whose members planned to kill a Bartow County couple they suspected of being anti-fascist activists. Group members were arrested as part of a undercover investigation by state and federal law enforcement before they could carry out the plot. The two indicted, Trimmell and Ashley join six other men believed to have come to an isolated property in the Silver Creek community south of Rome where an undercover law enforcement officer said they shot guns, took drugs and planned for a race war as part of a white supremacist group known as the Base.
(SNIP)
Researchers describe the Base as an "accelerationist" group that tries to leverage violent and disruptive attacks to bring about the destruction of American society. Mendelson said the cell that allegedly met in Rome was a case study in how quickly such cells can develop plans to "wreak havoc on our nation."

The Base was founded in 2018 as a far-right, paramilitary organization that sought the creation of a white ethno-state. An investigation by the Guardian newspaper in 2020 revealed the organization's leader to be Rinaldo Nazzaro, an American expatriate living in St. Petersburg, Russia.
(SNIP)
Authorities contend the suspects in the alleged murder plot continue to have contact with white supremacists while in jail. At Lane's (another of the 6) bond hearing last month, Assistant DA Johnson said Lane has been in contact with far-right figures while in jail, including Dalton Woodward, a Georgia resident who was expelled from the National Guard after the AJC reported his membership in a pagan sect known for attracting white supremacists.

The Georgia suspects have also been featured on the website of the Global Minority Initiative, a group that encourages supporters to send money and cards of support to white supremacists and neo-Nazis in prison.
(SNIP)
Helterbrand (another of the 6) is represented by the Georgia Public Defender's Office, which declined comment, but he has been charged with additional crimes since his arrest. Authorities say Helterbrand sexually assaulted another inmate in December as part of an effort to move up in rank in a violent, racist prison gang known as Ghostface Gangsters.

13John5918
Modificato: Apr 27, 2021, 10:55 am

>12 Limelite: All because the indictees killed a goat. . .

We killed a goat on Easter Sunday. Mind you, it wasn't a ritual beheading, it was our Sunday roast lunch. Delicious.

14Limelite
Apr 27, 2021, 6:20 pm

>13 John5918:

Bar-b-qued goat is dee-li-cious! Parties all the time among my Cuban friends in Miami featured it, head attached. Along with platanos maduros fritos, rum and tequila drinks, and non-stop salsa dancing.

Gawd I miss those days of ritual partying!

15margd
Apr 28, 2021, 5:39 pm

Alleged Whitmer kidnap plotters planned to use ‘weapon of mass destruction,’ new indictment says
Gus Burns | 2:29 PM

Anti-government militia men discussed exploding a bridge to slow police after they kidnapped Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer from her Elk Rapids vacation home, the FBI says.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office on Wednesday, April 28, filed new charges of conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction against three men suspected in the abduction plot that was exposed following the arrests of 14 people in October. The new indictments are against: Adam Fox, 40, of Wyoming, Michigan; Barry Croft Jr., 45, of Bear, Delaware; and Daniel Joseph Harris, 23, of Lake Orion...

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/04/alleged-whitmer-kidnap-plotters-pl...

16margd
Mag 1, 2021, 10:05 am

MeidasTouch.com @MeidasTouch | 8:30 AM · May 1, 2021
The radicalization of the Republican Party is a danger to us all. We must reject it.
Voices | #ResignRepublican

1:20 ( https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1388470761472528386 )

17margd
Modificato: Mag 2, 2021, 6:32 pm

Oregon GOP Rep. Mike Nearman has just been charged with two crimes after video shows him leaving his seat in the middle of an emergency closed-door session on covid relief in Dec. to let insurrectionists into the building. He then went back in at a different entrance.

0:54 ( https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1388819542990852099 )

- Ron Filipkowski (attorney) @RonFilipkowski | 7:35 AM · May 2, 2021

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"Oregon Public Broadcasting reported that at least three of the men who took part at the far-right demonstration in Salem made the trip to the U.S. Capitol weeks later for the insurrection on Jan. 6."

18margd
Mag 10, 2021, 10:14 am

DHS launches warning system to find domestic terrorism threats on public social media
The goal is to detect the sort of posts that seemed to predict the Jan. 6 Capitol attack but were missed by law enforcement.
Ken Dilanian | May 10, 2021

WASHINGTON — The Department of Homeland Security has begun implementing a strategy to gather and analyze intelligence about security threats from public social media posts...

The goal is to build a warning system to detect the sort of posts that appeared to predict an attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 but were missed or ignored by law enforcement and intelligence agencies...

The focus is not on the identity of the posters but rather on gleaning insights about potential security threats based on emerging narratives and grievances. So far, DHS is using human beings, not computer algorithms, to make sense of the data...

"We're not looking at who are the individual posters," said a senior official involved in the effort. "We are looking at what narratives are resonating and spreading across platforms. From there you may be able to determine what are the potential targets you need to protect."...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/dhs-launches-warning-system-f...

19Limelite
Mag 15, 2021, 6:05 pm

Since the DOJ Has Labeled White Supremacists Terrorists. . .

"40-year-old Brandon Engelman from Coarsegold is charged with shooting and killing 56-year-old Pacer Hampton, of Fresno, CA. He is associated with the Fresnecks, a local white supremacist street gang in the area with a history possessing illegal guns and drugs.
"We do know that this was not a random shooting. Hampton was specifically targeted," said Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims.
Engleman is described as "very dangerous." No information was provided about why the victim was specifically targeted.

20Limelite
Mag 15, 2021, 6:12 pm

DHS Warns Extremists May Strike as Coronavirus Restrictions Ease

No specific threats at this time. However, US alert that violent extremists may take advantage of the easing of pandemic restrictions to conduct attacks.
. . .potential danger (could arise) from an increasingly complex and volatile mix that includes domestic terrorists inspired by various grievances, racial or ethnic hatred and influences from abroad.

"Violent extremists may seek to exploit the easing of COVID-19-related restrictions across the United States to conduct attacks against a broader range of targets after previous public capacity limits reduced opportunities for lethal attacks," the bulletin said.

(The bulletin) reflects a sense of anxiety over domestic extremists, particularly those motivated by racial and ethnic hatred, that has been building for months, even under the previous administration, with repeated warnings from DHS and the Justice Department.

21Limelite
Modificato: Mag 16, 2021, 10:13 am

Here's Another -- Neo-Nazi Arrested After Dumping 3 Dead Bodies at Albuquerque Hospital

An apparent dispute between members of the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang has left three men dead and one man in jail on federal gun charges. Some might want to call it an ordinary triple homicide, I guess.
Prosecutors allege that after a deadly shootout in a nearby alley, Richard Kuykendall drove to Presbyterian Kaseman Hospital with the victims, removed his shirt and told a security officer “that there were three dead guys in the Chevy” before he walked away.

. . .authorities only believe Kuykendall “may be responsible for the death of one of the three men."

The victims, who have not yet been identified, were also members of the gang.

While authorities have not provided a motive for Wednesday’s slaying, the complaint notes that the gang is known for murdering or threatening members who do not remain loyal or pose a threat to the enterprise.
The details of Kuykendall's movements just before he made his human deposit are bizarre. It appears he sat on top of the corpse already in the driver's seat of the Tahoe in order to drive it to the hospital. Follow the link for more gory specifics.

22Limelite
Mag 18, 2021, 11:22 am

FBI: National White Supremacist Terrorist Leader Wanted To Create a 'White Ethnostate"

The leader of the infamous neo-Nazi group The Base, Justen Watkins, a 25-year-old from Bad Axe, Michigan. . .is described as the national leader of a neo-Nazi group that envisions 'white ethno states'
in the Upper Peninsula and other rural area, according to FBI special agent Jeremy Jaskulski who testified Monday in Washtenaw County District Court, where Judge Cedric Simpson denied a motion to release Watkins on bond.
(SNIP)
When Watkins was taken into custody at a Bad Axe farmhouse, federal agents confiscated gas masks, helmets, vests, camouflage clothing, surveillance equipment and items with Nazi symbols.
(SNIP)
The Base is a White supremacy organization that openly advocates for violence and criminal acts against the U.S., and purports to be training for a race war to establish white ethnonationalist rule in areas of the U.S., including Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. The group also traffics in Nazi ideology and extreme anti-Semitism, at one point requiring its members to read neo-Nazi books that urge the collapse of Western civilization.

23davidgn
Modificato: Giu 5, 2021, 8:54 am

Trump Believes That He Will Be Reinstated as President in August
His supporters are touting his return to all who will listen

https://medium.com/politically-speaking/trump-believes-that-he-will-be-reinstate...

Look, I know that readers keep begging me to stop writing about Trump. The problem is that I’m not doing it because I have an unhealthy fixation with Trump.
I follow Trump and write about him to warn you. If you have been reading my articles, you know that everything that I predicted would happen after the election has happened:
· Trump refused to accept the outcome of the election
· Trump tried to overthrow the government
· Trump moved to Mar-a-Lago and set up a shadow government
So when Trump predicts that he will be back in office in August and everyone else laughs, I pay attention.
I pay attention when his surrogates are telling conferences sponsored by QAnon, with 30 million followers, that Trump will return to office in August.
I pay attention when a former general advocates a military takeover to reinstate Trump in office.
Remember the insurrection? Think it can’t happen again?
Or how about this as a soft coup. Thanks to Trump’s MAGA candidates, the Republicans win control of both the House and the Senate in the midterms. With a conservative majority on the Supreme Court, Trump will have control of all the levers of power except the presidency.
And nothing is stopping him from running in 2024. If that happens, as I said yesterday he could win thanks to gerrymandering, voter suppression, his loyal base and his claims of a witch hunt.
I don’t know about you, but I’m officially scared shitless.

24margd
Modificato: Giu 5, 2021, 9:51 am

>23 davidgn: Me, too..."(Trump) could win (2024 presidency) thanks to gerrymandering, voter suppression, his loyal base and his claims of a witch hunt"...

..."In a last-minute addition, language was inserted in the (Texas) bill making it easier to overturn an election, no longer requiring evidence that fraud actually altered an outcome of a race — but rather only that enough ballots were illegally cast that could have made a difference"... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/texas-voting-restrictions/2021/05/29/869...

And if he did manufacture a comeback, he would be worse--unconstrained and no doubt having suffered multiple mini-strokes...

25margd
Giu 11, 2021, 10:36 am

Election officials and their families are living with threats of hanging, firing squads, torture and bomb blasts, interviews and documents reveal. The campaign of fear, sparked by Trump's voter-fraud falsehoods, threatens the U.S. electoral system.
LINDA SO | June 11, 2021

...Trump’s baseless voter-fraud accusations have had dark consequences for U.S. election leaders and workers, especially in contested states such as Georgia, Arizona and Michigan. Some have faced protests at their homes or been followed in their cars. Many have received death threats...

“It seemed like we were descending into this third-world mentality. I never expected that out of this country.”
Richard Barron, Fulton County elections director

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-georgia-threats/

26margd
Giu 13, 2021, 2:04 pm

Assault on Dr. Fauci turns even uglier as Don Jr. jokes about murder and Trump promises worse ahead
Mark Sumner | June 05, 2021

...The version (Fauci emails) being pushed by multiple “guests” and “experts” appearing on (OAN, Newsmax, or Fox News) is that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was deliberately engineered to infect people as part of a program that Fauci—and President Barack Obama—approved of and funded. The baseless accusations are so ugly that, even as Republicans like Hawley demand that Dr. Fauci be fired, others, like Trump Jr., are already chuckling over the idea that Dr. Fauci could be murdered.

On Friday evening, Trump Jr. showed that he isn’t just expecting Dr. Fauci to be killed by the rabid Trump supporters being pushed to believe that a man who has lived his life in service to both medicine and the nation is some kind of monster. No, Junior is ready to celebrate that murder. In an Instagram post, Trump Jr. posted an image saying “I’m just going to jump ahead on this, and said I don’t think Fauci killed himself.” ...

Sen. Rand Paul...Sen. Hawley...Donald Trump...Sen. Marco Rubio

...If Republicans have learned anything from Jan. 6, it’s apparently that they really can (and do) inspire and direct deadly hate.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/6/5/2033770/-Assault-on-Dr-Fauci-turns-eve...

27John5918
Giu 29, 2021, 12:21 am

US 'white supremacist' shoots two black bystanders (BBC)

An American man who crashed a stolen lorry into a house before shooting two black bystanders was a suspected white supremacist, police say. Nathan Allen, 28, fatally shot retired policeman Dave Green and military veteran Ramona Cooper in Saturday afternoon's attack in Massachusetts. Investigators later found racist and anti-Semitic writings by Allen, who was shot dead by officers at the scene...

28margd
Lug 6, 2021, 7:59 am

Someone Fired 23 Shots at Alabama Democratic State Senator’s (Vivian Davis) Home
‘IT’S TERRIFYING’
Danika Fears | Jul. 02, 2021

(she wasn't home, no one hurt)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/someone-fired-23-shots-at-alabama-state-sen-vivian...

29Limelite
Lug 27, 2021, 5:57 pm

KKK Prison Guards in FL Plotted Murder of Black Prisoner

The FBI got wind of the plot and infiltrated the KKK cell with an informant who recorded details of the terrorists as they concocted the crime. Shockingly, it learned that: "An unknown number of klansmen were working inside the Florida Department of Corrections, with significant power over inmates, Black and white."

While the AP reporters only recently uncovered the story, it took place years ago at the Florida State Prison in Lake Butler. Lake Butler is in Putnam County in the north central part of Florida. A confederate statue still stands in front of the County Courthouse located in Palatka.

One of the guards "had worked for the Florida Department of Corrections for decades; he’d also been a klansman for years." He'd also been disciplined multiple times for violence against prisoners -- who are primarily Black -- but never fired. Instead, he remained an employee and held onto his abusive power over the inmates, both Black and white.

More alarming are these revelations:
White supremacist groups have historically engaged in strategic efforts to infiltrate and recruit from law enforcement,” said an FBI document released by a congressional committee in September, about four months before the Capitol riots. In the intelligence assessment, written in 2006, the FBI said some in law enforcement were volunteering “professional resources to white supremacist causes with which they sympathize.”

Is that why no police unions have publicly come out in support of the Capitol police officers who testified to the House Select Committee on Jan 6th today? Are America's law enforcement officers in positions of power in intimidation within their departments to the degree that they control them? Recent events of increased police brutality and police killings of unarmed and mostly Black citizens, whether exercising their civil rights in marches, driving to and from work, or walking through residential neighborhoods point to that conclusion.

The Select Committee investigation needs to dig into that possibility and uncover how many members of the Capitol Police may have had or do have MAGA sympathies in the face of stories that emerged of fraternization between some white officers and the insurrectionists before the breach, even if only to reassure themselves and the public that crypto-klansman are not among them.

Then, Democrats need to convene another bi-partisan investigation into the state of the police forces patrolling our communities and create laws, if needed, should their inquiries reveal that local and state law enforcement entities are incapable of purging such "law enforcement" and "peace officers" as the Florida prison guards from their agencies themselves.

Because ALL the nations' blue guardians of law and order should be firmly and loudly behind and in support of the four Capitol police who testified this morning if they are, in fact, enforcers of the law and keepers of order. After all, what unites them with these brave defenders of our government that day is a common oath to uphold the law. But all we have heard in the past six months post-January 6 attacks on the Capitol and our Constitution from the nations officers in blue and their unions is crickets. Why, exactly, is that?

30margd
Lug 27, 2021, 7:44 pm

Wow. Wasn't it in FL that a black prisoner was scalded TO DEATH when confined by guards to a shower? Just dreadful...

31John5918
Set 2, 2021, 1:00 am

Two decades after 9/11, the real threat to the US is our own far right (Guardian)

The FBI’s inadequate response to far-right violence results from a lack of will, not a lack of legal authority...

32Limelite
Set 9, 2021, 11:33 pm

FBI Seizes Oath Keeper Lawyer’s Phone in “Seditious Conspiracy” Investigation

The move suggests an expansion of the January 6 case against members of the militia network. Kellye SoRelle, the Oath Keepers’ general counsel tweeted. . .
. . .that the seizure of her phone was a part of a baroque conspiracy connected to her interest in “deep state ties” to Mike Lindell, the “MyPillow guy” famous for promoting that false theory that Trump was robbed of a 2020 election victory by Chinese hackers and Democratic Party officials. There is no evidence agents were interested in SoRelle’s views on Lindell.

This is a lie, proven by the warrant itself, which the woman you would never want to be your lawyer if you found yourself in a tight spot vs. the Federal Government made herself a fool over when she provided an image of it to Mother Jones It clearly states in the warrant that it is seeking evidence on the phone. . .
. . .about suspected crimes connected to January 6. The warrant says the search is related to potential violations of nine criminal statutes: Those include crimes with which many people who entered the Capitol have been charged, from destruction of government property to trespassing and obstruction of Congress. The agents are also seeking evidence of false statements and obstruction of justice, including destruction of evidence, the warrant says.

Notably, the warrant also lists “seditious conspiracy” among the suspected crimes.
Not a word about Pillow Guy, although one might speculate he's a co-conspirator. Only speculate.

33Limelite
Set 15, 2021, 10:32 pm

Capitol Police Ask Pentagon to Have Troops Ready for Saturday "Rally"

Anticipating the September 18th get together organized by Look Ahead America, which is led by former Trump campaign operative Matt Braynard, the USCP is coordinating with the Defense Dept. to have National Guard troops at the ready to respond in the event of a second coming of insurrectionists.

Since the event is billed as a show in support of arrested criminal Jan. 6th Capitol "storm troops," . . .
There are fears the rally will be attended by members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Members of both groups have been charged with conspiracy for January 6.
As we know these guys are too insecure in who they are to go anywhere unless armed to the teeth with military grade weapons and in full body armor.

This time, I hope that the security directly in front of the Capitol prevents any ingress onto Capitol grounds. It has to be assumed that the rally-goers know their way around the building and that despite their event being held on a Saturday, can commit a lot of destructive acts should they choose. However, let's hope the USCP have purged their ranks of Trump sympathizers and don't aid the "tourists" in breaching what they're supposed to be guarding.

35Limelite
Set 29, 2021, 5:58 pm

Convicted White Supremacist Crybaby Sobs at His Sentencing

Paul Miller, of Fort Lauderdale, likes to wear Joker clown make-up and costume, then take a selfie posing with a gun aimed at the viewer. He enjoys posting on the Internet to his Tik-Tok folowers, publicizing his animosity towards minority groups and his support for the initiation of a race-based civil war in the United States. He hates people of color and orderly society so much that he is associated with both the Proud Boys and the "Boogaloo"-ers.



He thinks he's cute, flouting the law as a convicted felon who possesses a gun when he's forbidden to.

But when it comes to taking it like a man when the consequences of his actions are laid on him, he breaks down a weeps like a toddler in a diaper. Not what I'd call "supremacist" behavior. As it turns out he'll be a 40 year-old before he can live without real adult supervision from his jailers and parole officers. However, he probably still won't be a man.

36Limelite
Set 29, 2021, 6:13 pm

Olympic Swimmer, Klete Keller Changes to Guilty Plea in J6 Insurrection Case

Cashing in his original "not guilty" plea for a plea deal that requires him to fully cooperate with investigators, and made an additional felony charge and 5 additional misdemeanor charges go away, Keller takes steps to turn his life around.
His attorney, Edward MacMahon, told the judge that Keller "is trying to make amends for his terrible mistake," is embarrassed, and "wants to start his life over."
Part of his deal requires him to testify in court, presumably regarding his own actions on January 6th as well as testifying as an eye-witness to crimes committed by others in the Capitol that day.
During a brief appearance in federal court in Washington, he pleaded guilty to a single charge of obstructing an official proceeding, a felony with an estimated sentencing range under federal guidelines of 21 to 27 months.


So, America will eagerly watch Keller as he climbs out of the pool of insurrection and starts doing some ground work while training for the long course as a law abiding citizen.

37Limelite
Ott 11, 2021, 6:54 pm

FBI Raids Home of Philly 'Proud Boys' VP

Aaron Whallon Wolkind, 37, woke up in the dark early morning hours last Friday to more than a dozen federal agents, dressed in riot gear and accompanied by an armored vehicle and battering ram, swarming his Newark, Del., home.
Agents “took all of his computer and computer devices and phones, including an old broken phone,” Wolkind lawyer, Jonathon Moseley, said.

Moseley said he believes the search and seizure was to gather information in the case against Zach Rehl, the self-described president of the Philadelphia Proud Boys, whom Moseley also represents. Rehl was arrested in March on charges he conspired with other leading members of the organization to attack the Capitol and has been in custody in Philadelphia pending trial since.

The search warrant permitted agents to seize records and information related to people who “collaborated, conspired, or assisted,” or “communicated about matters” including their whereabouts, during the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, or the “legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. . .(agents) also collect “clothing items” associating Wolkind with the Proud Boys. The offenses cited on the warrant are the same criminal charges Rehl is facing, Moseley said.
Neither Wolkind nor his girlfriend, also present at the time of the raid, were arrested.

As of this writing, it's unknown if the FBI was acting on informant tips, information gathered in the Rehl case, or the data dump from the recent Anonymous Epik hack that revealed internal communications in the 'Proud Boys' militia, among other things.

38John5918
Ott 11, 2021, 11:31 pm

>37 Limelite:

Ironic that a lawyer representing a neo-Nazi is named Moseley!

For those on the other side of the Pond who are not familiar with the name, Oswald Moseley was a notorious leading figure in the British Union of Fascists in the 1920s and '30s.

39Limelite
Ott 13, 2021, 5:04 pm

>38 John5918:

Good of you to make that available to all readers. Definitely falls into category of "need to know." And I missed it.

Yes! I am familiar. So happens had just been doing a little sleuthing into the family when I came across the story. There was that name. Naturally, that made posting the article imperative and the name did provide me with a bit of ironic snickering. Perhaps there's a persistent gene problem in the Moseley clan tree?

40Limelite
Ott 14, 2021, 12:31 pm

Insurrectionist Joined the Army. It Arrested Him

"Fort Bragg soldier arrested, charged for alleged role in Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection."
A New York man in the Army just six months was arrested at Fort Bragg last week on allegations he assaulted law enforcement during the January breach of the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. Spc. James Phillip Mault, 29, is charged with several federal offenses to include assaulting, resisting or impeding certain officers using a dangerous weapon or inflicting bodily injury. . .Mault is accused of spraying a chemical agent at a crush of law enforcement officers. . .

Fort Bragg spokesman, Col. Joe Buccino, confirmed Wednesday that Mault was arrested on post Oct. 6.
Regardless, the Army is trying to distance itself from inducting the soldier, going so far as to wash their hands of him. “This thing he allegedly did happened before he was a soldier,” he said.
Mault also allegedly denied knowing a man seen with him, Cody Mattice, who agents later learned had accompanied Mault and four others from Rochester, New York, on a bus driven by Mault’s father to attend the protest of the certification of Biden’s victory over Donald Trump.

Mault was positively identified, the release states, by the hardhat he wore that was plastered in unique stickers, one of which identified his Ironworkers union in Rochester.
The FBI gained identifying information of Mault based on an anonymous source. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a union buddy (or buddies) who were just as anxious to rid themselves of his blighting presence as the Army is.

41Kuiperdolin
Ott 14, 2021, 1:32 pm

42Limelite
Ott 14, 2021, 3:51 pm

>41 Kuiperdolin:

Think of the come-down this murder rampage represents in terms of terrorists' prowess. They've gone from crashing jumbo jets into skyscrapers to man-hunting for targets with bow and arrow.

Do you think it has something to do with cognitive deterioration of their "species"? Seems so. Like the US Army recruiting insurrectionists to their ranks, the decline of spectacularism among the rank and file ideokillers must make enticements to 'become one of us' pretty meager in terms of appeal to potential recruits. But then, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel in Denmark like they are in the USA. What can you expect?

43librorumamans
Ott 14, 2021, 4:44 pm

>41 Kuiperdolin: >42 Limelite:

Since the suspect is an ethnic, native-born Dane, my guess is that this attack is the result of mental illness and not what I would call genuine terrorist motivations. The story may turn out to be about adequate access to psychiatric care more than anything else.

44Limelite
Ott 14, 2021, 7:53 pm

>43 librorumamans:

I hope you're right not because that necessarily makes the crime better but because the story about this individual is that he'd been on the map with LE as a radicalized person who was becoming more so with time. The authorities knew about him, not as a psychiatric patient but as a radical who was potentially violence prone.

45librorumamans
Ott 14, 2021, 9:31 pm

>44 Limelite:

So do I. Nutty but sincere notions about God are almost impossible to deal with; the prognosis for mental illness is slightly better.

46Molly3028
Modificato: Ott 15, 2021, 1:16 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/sean-hannity-wishes-bill-clinton-well-adds-unlike-li...
Sean Hannity Wishes Bill Clinton Well, Adds: ‘Unlike Liberals I Actually Care About Human Life’

Hannity, a modern-day GOPer, appears to be wondering why liberals hate insurrectionists and the lunatics who encourage them and/or make excuses for them!!!

47prosfilaes
Ott 15, 2021, 3:35 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Amess

Today, noon BST, a Member of Parliament got stabbed to death at a constituency meeting. Not much information is known, but they've turned it over to a counter-terrorism group, so this probably is politics related. Assassination of public officials is just bad news; it makes me feel like the world is becoming a darker place.

48John5918
Modificato: Ott 28, 2021, 11:47 pm

Two US neo-Nazis from 'the Base' jailed for terrorist plot (BBC)

Two neo-Nazis who were recorded plotting a violent attack to bring down the US government have been sentenced to nine years in prison. Brian Mark Lemley, 35, and Canadian Patrik Jordan Mathews, 29, were members of the Base, a white nationalist terror group...


Ironic that these right wing white supremacists have chosen the same name for their group as a group of Islamists. Al Qaida can be translated as "The Base".

49Limelite
Nov 5, 2021, 2:46 pm

The FBI Has Secret Recordings of White Supremacist Group Plotting Terrorist Attack to Spark Civil War

Two members of the white supremacist group 'The Base' was plotting bloody violence against people and property to incite, at least, a war by whites against minorities of color with the ultimate intent to overthrow the US government.

FBI agents listened in as two members of a white supremacist group discussed their sinister plans: a plot to use a pro-gun rights rally in Richmond, Virginia, to engage in mass murder and attacks on critical infrastructure, which they believed would mark the start of a racial civil war.

Patrik Mathews, a former Canadian Army reservist illegally in the U.S., and Brian Lemley, a Maryland resident and self-described white nationalist, fantasized about the brutal murders they'd soon carry out against law enforcement and Black people, all with the goal of bringing about the "Boogaloo," or the collapse of the U.S. government in order to prop up a white ethno-state, according to recordings of the pair's discussions.

"We need to go back to the days of ... decimating Blacks and getting rid of them where they stand," Mathews said in one recording. "If you see a bunch of Blacks sitting on some corner you f***ing shoot them."

"I need to claim my first victim," Lemley said in another recording. "It's just that we can't live with ourselves if we don't get somebody's blood on our hands."

(SNIP)
"You wanna create f***ing some instability while the Virginia situation is happening, make other things happen," Mathews said. "Derail some rail lines ... shut down the highways ... shut down the rest of the roads ... kick off the economic collapse of the U.S. within a week after the (Boogaloo) starts."

"I mean, even if we don't win, I would still be satisfied with a defeat of the system ... and whatever was to come in its place would be preferable than what there is now," Lemley said. "And if it's not us, then you know what, we still did what we had to do."
The FBI says has, "since 2018, 'The Base' has recruited members both in the U.S. and abroad through a combination of online chat rooms, private meetings, and military-style training camps.. . .the number of domestic terrorism investigations into white supremacist individuals and groups has tripled since he joined the bureau in 2017."

50margd
Nov 9, 2021, 9:04 am

Rep. Gosar under fire for anime attacking Rep. Ocasio-Cortez
Arizona congressman Paul Gosar is facing criticism after he tweeted a video that included altered animation showing him striking congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (in the neck) with a sword
The Associated Press | November 9, 2021

...Gosar, a Republican, posted the video Sunday afternoon with a note saying: “Any anime fans out there?”

The roughly 90-second video is an altered version of a Japanese anime series, interspersed with shots of border patrol officers and migrants at the southern U.S. border. During one roughly 10-second section of the video, animated characters whose faces have been replaced with Gosar and fellow Republican Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia and Lauren Boebert of Colorado are seen fighting other animated characters.

In one scene, Gosar's character is seen striking the one made to look like Ocasio-Cortez in the neck with a sword...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/rep-gosar-fire-anime-attacking-rep-oca...

51margd
Nov 24, 2021, 3:37 am

Barb McQuade @BarbMcQuade | 12:11 AM · Nov 24, 2021:
$25 million verdict in Charlottesville case is a good reminder that
there are other ways besides criminal prosecution to hold people accountable for misconduct.

Jury Finds Rally Organizers Responsible for Charlottesville Violence
Neil MacFarquhar | Nov. 23, 2021

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — Jurors on Tuesday found the main organizers of the deadly far-right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017 liable under state law for injuries to counterprotesters, awarding more than $25 million in damages. But the jury deadlocked on two federal conspiracy charges.

Still, the verdict was a clear rebuke of the defendants — a mix of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and Confederate sympathizers. They were found under Virginia law to have engaged in a conspiracy that led to injuries during the rally. The “Unite the Right” march began as a demonstration over the removal of a Confederate statue and led to the death of the counterprotester Heather Heyer, 32, when she was struck by a car driven by one of the defendants.

The civil suit, heard in U.S. District Court in Charlottesville, was filed by four men and five women, including four of the people who were injured when Ms. Heyer was killed...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/us/charlottesville-rally-verdict.html

52Molly3028
Modificato: Nov 24, 2021, 7:53 am

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jr-kyle-ritt...
Donald Trump Jr posts mocked-up image of his father putting medal round Kyle Rittenhouse’s neck

The Trumps, GOPers and FOX News prime-time hosts have opened up a lets-have-a-civil-war Pandora's box to feed the blood-lust of their fanatic cult followers. January 6 was the opening shot of the civil war.

53John5918
Modificato: Nov 24, 2021, 9:08 am

While I can understand that people who believe in laws permitting unregulated use of firearms might welcome the court verdict, I cannot understand how any decent person can celebrate and joke about an event which involved the deaths of two innocent human beings. Truly disgusting behaviour.

54Molly3028
Modificato: Nov 24, 2021, 1:06 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/kyle-rittenhouse-met-with-trump/
Kyle Rittenhouse Met With Trump at Mar-a-Lago After His Not Guilty Verdict

MY QUESTIONS ~ Does Trump want Barron to join Kyle's teen cult? Is daddy going to buy Barron his own AR-15 for Christmas?

55margd
Nov 24, 2021, 1:33 pm

If daddy thought it would benefit daddy, he'd buy Barron a tank, I'm afraid...
(Remember when he took Lindsey Graham to a baseball game, and not his son?)

56Limelite
Modificato: Gen 13, 2022, 4:57 pm

FBI Arrests Oath Keepers Leader and 10 Members on Seditious Conspiracy Charges

First time this charge has been filed against J6 insurrectionists. Stewart Rhodes, 56, was arrested Thursday in Little Elm, Texas, and also faces charges for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol. The charge carries a maximum possible sentence 20 years in prison for anyone found guilty of conspiring to use force “to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States.” The indictment alleges (in the following excerpts) that
. . .following the Nov. 3, 2020, presidential election, Rhodes conspired with his co-defendants and others to oppose by force the execution of the laws governing the transfer of presidential power by Jan. 20, 2021.

“Beginning in late December 2020, via encrypted and private communications applications, Rhodes and various co-conspirators coordinated and planned to travel to Washington, D.C., on or around Jan. 6, 2021, the date of the certification of the electoral college vote. . . made plans to bring weapons to the area to support the operation.

. . .prosecutors say that Rhodes coordinated with members of the right-wing militia group to travel to D.C. for the “Stop the Steal” rally on Jan. 6. . .(and that) Rhodes allegedly vowed in private conversations to use force if President Biden were sworn into office.

"We aren't getting through this without a civil war. Too late for that. Prepare your mind, body, spirit," he wrote in an encrypted message to other Oath Keepers in November 2020.

. . .Rhodes also held a meeting with other Oath Keepers leaders in which he “outlined a plan to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power, including preparations for the use of force, and urged those listening to participate."

In another message to his co-defendants on Dec. 31, 2020, Rhodes allegedly wrote, “There is no standard political or legal way out of this."
Over the New Year weekend Rhodes proceeded to spend $5000 on arms. The week before he spent $7500 on military style materiel. Furthermore, over a period of days following the insurrection, he spent an additional 17,500 on arms, ammo, and materiel. In sum, the indictment totes Rhodes spent $30,000 on financing his private army's civil war preparations.
The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol subpoenaed Rhodes and the Oath Keepers organization in late November.

The document claims that Rhodes was in contact with the 18 Oath Keepers who stormed the building “before, during, and shortly after the attack on the Capitol.”

It also points to repeated comments suggesting Oath Keepers “should, or were prepared to, engage in violence to ensure their preferred election outcome,” including calling on his members to serve as “poll watchers” on Election Day and “stock up on ammo” in preparation for a “full on war in the streets.”
For additional details, follow the link above to The Hill.
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UPDATE

About ten pages into the indictment, it was revealed that Rhodes used a video of a Serbian author who detailed how he and his movement were able to seize power when they say Slobodan Milošević stole the election. Titled "Step by step procedure, how we won when Milosevic stole our elections," was one of many videos that Rhodes told his Signal channel that they should watch from the author.
(SNIP)
It's almost exactly what happened when the Oath Keepers (stormed the Capitol) on Jan. 6 as part of the effort to bring down the government. . .


See the video Rhodes showed his followers here.

57John5918
Feb 16, 2022, 11:35 pm

Checks at UK airport over fears far-right extremists may travel to Ukraine (Guardian)

British authorities are worried that the current threat of a Russian invasion of Ukraine may attract far-right extremists from the UK, who could travel to the country seeking weapons training and military experience. Counter-terrorism police were positioned at the departure gates of at least one main British airport this week, where they quizzed travellers flying to Ukraine about their identity and reasons for travel. The checks came after at least half a dozen known neo-Nazis travelled to Ukraine from the US and a European country this week, security sources said...


Ottawa protests: ‘strong ties’ between some occupiers and far-right extremists, minister says (Guardian)

Canada’s public safety minister has warned of ties between protesters occupying the country’s capital and a group of far-right extremists who were charged earlier this week in the border town of Coutts, Alberta, over an alleged plot to kill police officers. “Several of the individuals at Coutts have strong ties to a far-right extreme organization with leaders who are in Ottawa,” the minister, Marco Medicino, told reporters on Wednesday... Police seized more than a dozen handguns and rifles, a cache of ammunition and body armour. Four of the arrested men are now accused of plotting to kill a number of Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers and civilians. Medicino’s comments are likely to further stoke fears that extremist elements are present in a nationwide spate of unrest which began as a protest against Covid-19 health mandates but has embraced a broad range of anti-government grievances...

58margd
Modificato: Feb 17, 2022, 9:47 am

Julia Davis (The Daily Beast) | 10:11 AM · Feb 16, 2022:
Guess who is churning out the most coverage of the Canadian trucker protests?
If you guessed #Russia's state media outlet RT, you're correct.
Bar graph--#stories per world outlet ( https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1493966152216854528/photo/1 )
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Ian Fisher @electricyvr | 8:42 PM · Feb 14, 2022:
Poor headline. Canadian donations are to be expected but having 61% of donations and almost half the funds (47.5%) come from from non- Canadian sources is downright disturbing.

Data leak reveals Canadians, Americans donated millions to fund convoy protests
Tom Cardoso | February 15, 2022

...The campaign, run by U.S.-based Christian fundraising website GiveSendGo, became the go-to donation portal for supporters of the self-described “freedom convoy” after GoFundMe, another U.S.-based fundraiser, cancelled a similar campaign that had accrued more than $10-million, citing “the promotion of violence and harassment” on the streets of Ottawa.

Before the website went down on Sunday, convoy organizers had raised nearly US$10-million through GiveSendGo.

...Data analysis shows that just over 50 per cent of (GiveSendGo) donations were said to originate in Canada, totalling US$4.3-million. Another 43 per cent, or US$3.6-million, were said to originate from the United States. (Because of how GiveSendGo collected country data during donations, The Globe was unable to conclusively determine donors’ geographical locations.)

...American donors, however, outnumbered Canadians: 51,666 donations were registered as coming from the U.S., 56 per cent of the total. Canada, in contrast, was the stated country of origin for 36,202 donations...

...according to Stephanie Carvin, an international affairs professor at Carleton University (in Ottawa) “This movement raised more money in a week than all the political parties in Canada did in the fourth quarter combined...This is not an insignificant amount of money...We have to understand this movement as Canadian with overt American influence...The biggest public misunderstanding of this protest is that it is about mandates and truckers...It is not. The origins of this movement date back to at least 2019. These are anti-government extremists who have espoused Islamophobic and anti-Semitic views.”

...While the vast majority of individual donations were for amounts of US$100 or less (81,402 donations in all), larger single donations accounted for a majority of the total amount donated. In all, US$4,280,605 came from donations of more than US$100.

Large donations were so significant that the top 1 per cent of donors accounted for 20 per cent of all donations. The top 10 per cent, meanwhile, accounted for nearly 50 per cent of all donations.

The largest single contribution, for US$215,000, was completely anonymous, lacking even a country of origin. After that, the next largest donation was for US$90,000, recorded as coming from a “Thomas M. Siebel” in the United States. The name and e-mail associated with that donation match those of an American billionaire and owner of an artificial-intelligence company."

Many of those top donations noted e-mail addresses pointing to Canadian farms, a gun range and companies in the resource sector. One Canadian donor, Brad Howland of Easy-Kleen Pressure Systems in Sussex Corner, N.B., confirmed that he had given $75,000 to the fundraiser...

On Monday, the federal government invoked the Emergencies Act, granting itself sweeping powers to address the continuing convoy blockades, including new measures aimed at containing the funds flowing toward organizers...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-data-leak-reveals-canadians-ameri...

59margd
Feb 17, 2022, 11:43 am

>58 margd: contd.

ADL Finds 1,100 People Donated to Both Canada Freedom Convoy and Jan. 6 Demonstration
February 16, 2022

...(1,100) people donating both to Canada’s “Freedom Convoy” protest and the January 6 demonstration outside the U.S. Capitol. The leak also revealed donations to plan a similar convoy in the United States and contributions to the defense fund for Kyle Rittenhouse, the teenager who fatally shot two people during unrest in Kenosha, Wis., in 2020...

https://www.adl.org/blog/adl-finds-1100-people-donated-to-both-canada-freedom-co...

61margd
Modificato: Feb 21, 2022, 7:26 am

Unbelievable that My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell apparently thought HE could enter Canada without vaccine and negative PCR! Ottawa protesters are pretty much dispersed now, but a few days ago Lindell's backup plan was to drop pillows with tiny parachutes from a helicopter. I suspect the area around Parliament Hill, like the White House, is a no-fly zone?

Remember WKRP turkey drop (3:35) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGFtV6-ALoQ ?

To quote Bugs Bunny, "What a moroon!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NYFq7ZJg4c ) I'd add "arrogant"... Really, nothing to worry about if this is best the GQP can muster! :D
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(To quote Bugs Bunny, "What a moroon!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NYFq7ZJg4c )

My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell and '10,000 pillows' blocked from joining Ottawa protest
Christopher Nardi | Feb 16, 2022

...Lindell was turned back because he was not fully vaccinated and did not have a negative PCR test, said a government source...

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/my-pillows-mike-lindell-barred-from-enter...
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The MyPillow Guy Is Seriously Planning to Drop Pillows From the Sky Over Canada
PREPARE THE TEENY TINY PARACHUTES!
Zachary Petrizzo | Feb. 17, 2022

...The pillow maven told The Daily Beast late Wednesday night that he intends to drop his pillows into Canada from a helicopter “with little parachutes” attached. “We need to get the MyPillows to the people!” he continued...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mypillow-guy-mike-lindell-plans-to-drop-pillows-fr...

62margd
Feb 22, 2022, 4:28 pm

ADL (Anti-Defamation League) Finds 1,100 People Donated to Both Canada Freedom Convoy and Jan. 6 Demonstration
February 16, 2022

...(1100) people donating both to Canada’s “Freedom Convoy” protest and the January 6 demonstration outside the U.S. Capitol. The leak also revealed donations to plan a similar convoy in the United States and contributions to the defense fund for Kyle Rittenhouse, the teenager who fatally shot two people during unrest in Kenosha, Wis., in 2020...

https://www.adl.org/blog/adl-finds-1100-people-donated-to-both-canada-freedom-co...

63margd
Mar 17, 2022, 9:54 am

‘Incels’ are a rising threat in the US, Secret Service report finds
Maya Yang in New York | 16 Mar 2022

A new US Secret Service report details a rising threat from men who identify as “involuntary celibates” or “incels”, due to their inability to form intimate relationships with women.

The report* released on Tuesday and prepared by the National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC) highlights behavioral threat assessment themes identified in years of research examining targeted violence.

Themes include concerning and threatening communications, concerning online content, chronic and acute stressors, elicited concern in others, interpersonal difficulties, history of being bullied, financial instability, failed life aspirations and lack of consequences...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/16/involuntary-celibates-incels-thr...
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* Hot Yoga Tallahassee:
A CASE STUDY OF MISOGYNISTIC EXTREMISM
US Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC) | March 2022
28p
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21417518/secret-service-2018-yoga-class-s...

64Limelite
Modificato: Mar 18, 2022, 6:44 pm

Ammon Bundy & Idaho Right Wing Nuts Terrorize Judge and Hospital Personnel

What's in those Idaho potatoes -- vodka? Kool-Aid drinkers are terrorizing a judge who took a malnourished child from its mother and placed it in foster care. Justice is apparently distasteful to the man who thinks his rights exceed the American peoples'. He's the guy who feels entitled to graze his cattle on public land without paying rent for grazing. Now, he's whipping up the delusional to harass a judge and doxxing her and others.
People's Rights, a far-right extremist group in the Treasure Valley, received an audio alert Friday morning from group leaders. It encouraged members to protest at an Ada County judge's residence and doxx her, meaning posting her personal information online. The message was sent to the Idaho Press.

The alert named the judge, the VIN on her vehicle, and her address.
(SNIP)
Ammon Bundy, an independent gubernatorial candidate and member of the People's Rights group, also encouraged people to protest at the home of the judge in an online video released Friday morning.

"She is known to take children from loving parents," the alert said. It claimed that she and sex offenders in her neighborhood were working together to take children away from their parents.
Tripe like this lie was spewed in a mass communication to a radical extremist group and now has endangered additional innocent people.
"St. Luke’s team members have been, and continue to be, subjected to harassment and profanity-laced calls; in some cases, their personal information has been shared online, resulting in hateful language and very visible and alarming threats on social media," the release said.
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See related story here about Take Back Idaho's reaction to these violent agitators.

65John5918
Mag 17, 2022, 12:08 am

Terrorism in the UK: the rising threat of far-right extremists (Guardian)

In MI5’s London headquarters there is a top secret grid, on which is ranked the top terrorist plots absorbing the attention and resources of the security services and police. While 15 years ago it was dominated by Islamist plotters, in recent years the most severe threats to the country’s national security feature people planning atrocities linked to extreme rightwing ideology. The official figures are sobering. They reveal that the United Kingdom faces twin threats of terrorist violence, from Islamists such as adherents of Islamic State, and from a far more disparate extremist far right, trying to trigger a race war to further their ideology. Since March 2017, counter-terrorism police and the intelligence services have stopped 32 plots they assess as aiming to cause mass casualties on British soil. Of these they assess 18 were Islamist related, and 12 were triggered by extreme rightwing terrorist ideology. The other two were linked to category known as left, anarchist or single-issue terrorism (LASIT)...

66Molly3028
Modificato: Mag 17, 2022, 1:02 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chuck-schumer-sends-letter-to-rupert-murdoch-insisti...
Chuck Schumer Sends Letter to Rupert Murdoch Insisting Fox News Stop ‘Reckless’ Pushing of Replacement Theory

and

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-defends-his-right-to-spew-hate-speech...
Tucker Carlson Defends His Right to Spew Hate Speech Following Replacement Theory-Incited Hate Crime

***
Murdoch and Carlson are providing a meet-up place (FOX News Channel) and a time (8 p.m. weeknights) for haters of brown/black people to get their daily kudos from the white supremacist GOP leader. The Aussie and his American mouthpiece are deadly serious about their mission to keep America majority white.

67Molly3028
Modificato: Mag 17, 2022, 3:20 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/news/bombshell-report-released-days-before-buffalo-atta...
Bombshell Report Released Days Before Buffalo Attack Shows 1 in 3 Americans Believe ‘Replacement Theory’

***
This poison has already been ingested and it is circulating in the minds of one out of three Americans. Now, the GOP is also injecting it into the political realm of the country. The Trump ~ MAGA ~ Electoral College win in 2016 has led us directly to this very unfortunate state.

68lriley
Mag 17, 2022, 6:01 pm

>67 Molly3028: the fascist tendencies of the United States population right there. People like Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson have dialed right into that.

69Molly3028
Modificato: Mag 19, 2022, 7:08 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/red-flags-grocery-manager-tells-fox-news-buffalo-sho...
‘Red Flags’: Grocery Manager Tells Fox News Buffalo Shooter Once Asked Her Why She Works in ‘All-Black Store’

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What seemed to be an innocuous conversation in a previous era is anything but innocuous in this GOP Trumpism era.

70John5918
Modificato: Mag 19, 2022, 11:05 pm

Far-right threat feared at huge base for asylum seekers in North Yorkshire village (Guardian)

A senior police chief has admitted officers are consulting with counter-terrorism experts about threats from the far right at a military base in North Yorkshire where the Home Office is planning to house 1,500 asylum seekers... Asylum seekers held at other military barracks such as Penally in Wales, which has now closed, and Napier in Kent have experienced harassment from far-right demonstrators... Nicola David, chair of Ripon City of Sanctuary and a member of the Linton-on-Ouse action group, said to Home Office officials at the meeting: “You treat asylum seekers like animals, like pawns in your political game.”

71Molly3028
Modificato: Mag 20, 2022, 6:08 am

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-says-buffalo-shooternot-motivated-by-...
Tucker Carlson Says Buffalo Shooting Suspect Not Motivated by ‘Hateful Right-Wing Rhetoric,’ But ‘Mental Illness’

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A rather disturbing sub plot is emerging involving Tucker and young, high-profile white killers. Rittenhouse and Gendron were not killed (or wounded!) by the cops. Their boyish good looks and white skins allow Tucker and his ilk to spin stories about the possible reasons they went astray. Black perps, on the other hand, always end up dead, and they are always labelled cold-blooded killers by TC and his ilk.

72lriley
Mag 20, 2022, 6:56 am

>71 Molly3028: the reason this continues on with Carlson is ratings. Murdoch knows Carlson has an audience that will tune in for all this shit night after night.

73John5918
Giu 12, 2022, 8:56 am

There’s a new breed of young, violent, far-right activist in Britain: ‘white jihadists’ (Guardian)

The neo-Nazi founder of the banned terror group National Action was jailed this week. Sadly, there are more like him...


74Limelite
Modificato: Giu 14, 2022, 5:37 pm

Safe To Say Donald Trump Is a Terrorist?

Haven't heard anyone go there explicitly yet, but the more that is revealed by the public J6 Committee hearings, the greater the likelihood that a case for bringing charges against DJT as a domestic terrorist will be a new "finding" for it to recommend to Merrick Garland.

As for "Pucker" Carlson, well, he'll have to decide whether to call his golden idol a spewer of either ‘Hateful Right-Wing Rhetoric,’ or a sufferer from ‘Mental Illness,’ won't he? That is, if he chooses to adhere to any entertaining that pretends to be 'fair and balanced.'

75kiparsky
Giu 14, 2022, 10:31 am

>71 Molly3028: Blaming "mental illness" is a cynical dodge. People who believe Tucker Carlson do not believe him because they're mentally ill, they believe him because we've seen a concentrated campaign to inculcate hatred and contempt for others, and Carlson is the current spearpoint and the beneficiary of decades of work to that end. For him to call his fans mentally ill is simply outrageous.

His fans kill people because he spends hours every day clearing a path to those acts, removing any trace of doubt in their minds. He grooms his audience for terrorism, and then he says they're mentally ill when they respond as expected.

We all know that mental illness does not lead to mass murder. What leads to mass murder is people like Tucker Carlson, and the rhetoric of terrorism that he has made the core of his broadcast.

76librorumamans
Giu 14, 2022, 4:10 pm

77margd
Giu 23, 2022, 6:44 am

‘Men need to start challenging other men’ — Activist and educator Jackson Katz breaks down how the increase in tragedies across the U.S. and how we define manhood are directly related

How Male Violence and Tragedies in the U.S. Are Related
‘Men need to start challenging other men’ — Activist and educator Jackson Katz breaks down how the increase in tragedies across the U.S. and how we define manhood are directly related
3:01 ( https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1539881694836051968 )

- NowThis @nowthisnews | 4:03 AM · Jun 23, 2022

78John5918
Lug 1, 2022, 1:43 am

New Zealand declares US far-right Proud Boys and the Base terrorist groups (Guardian)

Proud Boys’ involvement in US Capitol attack cited in ruling outlawing organisation... The two groups join 18 others, including the Islamic State group, that have been given an official terrorist designation...


79John5918
Lug 14, 2022, 12:32 am

MI5 needs more funds to tackle rightwing terror threat, says watchdog (Guardian)

MI5 should be given increased funding to help tackle the rising threat of extreme-right terrorism, which now accounts for approaching a fifth of the spy agency’s investigations, a parliamentary watchdog has said...


80John5918
Ago 6, 2022, 12:51 am

Man who threatened to kill Anthony Fauci given three-year prison term (Guardian)

A federal judge sentenced a West Virginia man to three years in prison by for sending intimidating emails to public health chief Anthony Fauci, including threats to kill the US’s top infectious disease official over his handling of the Covid pandemic... In one email, Connally threatened that Fauci and his family would be “dragged into the street, beaten to death, and set on fire,” prosecutors said... Connally admitted he sent threatening emails to Fauci, hoping to intimidate and interfere with his official duties as the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director and to retaliate against him for his handling of the pandemic...


81librorumamans
Ago 6, 2022, 12:58 am

>80 John5918:

Why has no one yet declared an epidemic of insanity?

82margd
Ago 11, 2022, 8:03 am

Rep. Eric Swalwell @RepSwalwell | 2:09 PM · Aug 10, 2022:
Husband | Dad to Nelson, Cricket & Hank | Congressman | @HouseJudiciary @HouseIntel
@HomelandDems | social media policy: http://bit.ly/3gxdzVm | #EndGunViolence

LISTEN to this death threat against my children. Since the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago, Trump, McCarthy, and MAGA Republicans are stoking violent rhetoric against lawmakers and law enforcement. Someone is going to get killed.

1:48 WARNING--foul violent language...
( https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1557428889902895104 )

83margd
Ago 11, 2022, 11:48 am

FBI Director Wray pushes back on threats following unprecedented raid on Trump: 'Deplorable and dangerous'
Lawrence Richard | August 11, 2022

...Since Monday, scores of messages have been seen on Twitter, Gab, and TRUTH Social calling for violence across the country.

Authorities monitoring these posts spotted a significant increase in death threats aimed toward Attorney General Merrick Garland, Wray and FBI agents...

Both Garland and Wray travel with armed security...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-director-wray-pushes-back-threats-following...

84Molly3028
Ago 11, 2022, 12:49 pm

https://www.wlwt.com/article/fbi-office-cincinnati-armed-suspect-shot-fire-clint...
FBI: Armed subject attempting to breach Cincinnati FBI office leads to pursuit, shots fired

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This should not be a surprise ~ Ohio is Trump country ~ these are the type of people FOX News and other pro-Trump outlets lie to every day of the week.

852wonderY
Modificato: Ago 11, 2022, 2:27 pm

>84 Molly3028: He’s been captured. He’s white, so he’s still alive.

Correction - contained.

86alco261
Ago 11, 2022, 8:03 pm

>85 2wonderY: - Nope - daid an gowan

87John5918
Ago 13, 2022, 12:31 am

Armed FBI attacker shot dead by police believed to be enraged Trump supporter (Guardian)

The armed man killed after attacking an FBI office on Thursday appears to have been a Donald Trump supporter enraged about the federal raid on Mar-a-Lago who documented his attack as it happened on Trump’s social media platform, Truth Social. The man may also have been present at the January 6 riot at the US Capitol. When the FBI executed a search warrant on Trump’s Florida property on Monday, reportedly in search of classified White House documents, Trump told supporters his house was “under siege, raided, and occupied”, leading some extreme Trump supporters online to speak of civil war...

88margd
Ago 13, 2022, 12:25 pm

David Axelrod @davidaxelrod | 4:19 PM · Aug 12, 2022
Director, @UChiPolitics. Senior Political Commentator CNN. Author, Believer: My Forty Years in Politics. Host of The Axe Files podcast

@RepLizCheney reportedly is not able to campaign for re-election at open, public events in Wyoming because of threats to her safety.
This, in the United States of America, folks.
Think about that.

89Kuiperdolin
Ago 24, 2022, 4:40 pm

Demonrat swatted MTG : an act of terrorism

90kiparsky
Ago 24, 2022, 5:10 pm

>89 Kuiperdolin: What is a "demonrat"? Sounds like something from a Harry Potter book...

91librorumamans
Ago 24, 2022, 8:06 pm

>90 kiparsky: What is a "demonrat"? Sounds like something from a Harry Potter book...

I believe it's a term that can refer to someone who voted for the orange shite-gibbon.

92John5918
Ago 25, 2022, 12:04 am

What's an MTG?

93librorumamans
Modificato: Ago 25, 2022, 12:43 am

>92 John5918:

I took it to refer to Marjorie Taylor Greene. (Wikipedia)
I think she's one of the demonrats.

94kiparsky
Ago 25, 2022, 2:03 am

>91 librorumamans: Thanks for clarifying. I'm not sure it's totally clear to me what >89 Kuiperdolin: is on about, but this is nothing new or surprising.

After all, we're dealing with someone who believes that Trump wrote a book, one can't expect a whole lot.

95John5918
Modificato: Ago 25, 2022, 2:13 am

>93 librorumamans:

Thanks for that link. Good grief, what an unpleasant and disturbed person MTG appears to be, perhaps epitomising the new extreme right wing. As >94 kiparsky: says, >89 Kuiperdolin: also makes no sense to me. What is the "swatted" to which they refer? I wish cryptic posts like >89 Kuiperdolin: would include a link to a credible source so that we can all try to understand it. But sadly a lot of the right wing posts on LT appear to be isolated sound bites which might mean something to the poster and their ilk, but are fairly incomprehensible to others who are not part of that "in crowd".

96rastaphrog
Ago 25, 2022, 8:06 am

>95 John5918: What is the "swatted" to which they refer?

This refers to someone calling the local police and reporting a possible "crime" in progress which often results in an excessive police response when nothing is going on. In the case of MTG, someone reported shots fired inside her home which resulted in the Swat team banging on her door. She almost went to the door with a gun in her hand which could have resulted in the team shooting her.

97margd
Ago 25, 2022, 8:49 am

>96 rastaphrog: From S.W.A.T. (Special Weapons and Tactics) TV program on CBS, I assume?
https://www.cbs.com/shows/swat/
If so, I just got it!

What the heck was going on, I wonder??

98John5918
Modificato: Ago 25, 2022, 9:15 am

>96 rastaphrog:

Thanks for the clarification. I had visions of a diabolical rodent swatting her with a rolled up newspaper. What a sad country where one lives in such fear that one goes (or almost goes) to answer one's door with a gun in one's hand. But making this false and malicious report which led to the police arriving in force was an illegal, dangerous and abhorrent act and whoever did so should be held to account, whatever their political affiliation. From what I read about her, this MTG is a disturbed personality, and the last thing she needed was the added trauma of a police raid. But I doubt whether it falls under any reasonable definition of "terrorism".

99southernbooklady
Ago 25, 2022, 11:31 am

>98 John5918: But I doubt whether it falls under any reasonable definition of "terrorism"

What would you say is a "reasonable definition of terrorism"? Here's how Google's dictionary defines it:

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

100John5918
Modificato: Ago 25, 2022, 1:01 pm

>99 southernbooklady:

I would say initiating an unnecessary visit by the police is illegal, abhorrent, wrong, dysfunctional, potentially dangerous, scary, etc but I wouldn't call it terrorism.

101lriley
Ago 25, 2022, 1:37 pm

Greene first gained notoriety hectoring and haranguing Parkland shooting survivor and anti-gun activist David Hogg on the street. It was pretty obscene but it’s something she picked up from Alex Jones and seems to enjoy doing and it gets really nasty. She’s harassed any number of people including other congresspeople. This faux call in shooting almost seems like something she might do to someone else to be honest.

102southernbooklady
Ago 25, 2022, 1:42 pm

>100 John5918: That doesn't answer the question though. What disqualifies it? I am interested to know, since the scenario seems to fit Google's definition, anyway.

Is it that "a terrorist" implies some kind of organized group or cause? Or that it seeks mass casualties?

Incidentally, I think "an unnecessary visit by the police" is a poor description of swatting, especially in a country prone to using highly militarized police forces and where the use of lethal force is not uncommon.

103Kuiperdolin
Modificato: Ago 25, 2022, 1:57 pm

MTG swatted again last night while lthing boomers were cracking jokes. Flowers now claim he never called for anyone to do anything about that troublesome priest. Maybe he got a visit by the police too.

104John5918
Modificato: Ago 25, 2022, 2:10 pm

>102 southernbooklady:

Thanks. It's a good and challenging question and I probably don't know the answer. "Terrorism" is an imprecise word used in different ways by different people in different circumstances. Often it simply means people whose cause one disagrees with. Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist? Jomo Kenyatta? Menachem Begin? All have been called that. All later became respected heads of state. Some governments have been described as terrorist because of their actions against their own or other people. For me it probably implies a degree of organisation, and an intention to use indiscriminate violence against civilians. The Allied bombing campaigns against German civilians, or the German blitz on British civilians, or the USA dropping atomic bombs on Japanese civilians all fit that description. In the end it's probably just a gut feeling. Harassment is harassment and should be roundly condemned, but I'm uncomfortable labelling it terrorism.

105kiparsky
Ago 25, 2022, 2:46 pm

>102 southernbooklady: That doesn't answer the question though. What disqualifies it?

Interesting. The violence in this scenario would have been applied by the state - abhorrent, but technically lawful. See: Breonna Taylor, among many other scenarios. The cops can come to your door and kill you, and it's legal.

However, you could argue that this violence would have been "used" by the person who made the call. I reckon you could argue it either way, suggesting that the definition you cited is not a very coherent or useful one. (since we can point to a situation where it refuses to decide whether the defined word is applicable or not)

I think we can all agree that this would be a despicable act, regardless of the target, but I'm pretty sure that >89 Kuiperdolin: would not have called it "terrorism" had it been done to, say, Anthony Fauci, and while I've seen many reports of this sort of attack I've never seen anyone call it "terrorism" before. Therefore, I'm not sure I'm willing to call it terrorism in this case, as the label seems to have been applied on ideological grounds.

107Kuiperdolin
Ago 26, 2022, 12:21 pm

Not reassuring at all. No real protection except obscurity. I know I've tightened opsec around my social media presence these last few years, and I'm far from the only one.

108librorumamans
Ago 26, 2022, 2:06 pm

I'm largely thinking aloud here about my uncertainty around classifying swatting as a form of terrorism. It's difficult for me to make a clear distinction between that and, for example, calling in a false bomb threat to a school during class time. This latter is something that happens periodically in my experience, once, as I recall, just prior to or during an examination period.

Both are clearly acts of mischief, even malice, and as such criminal. But the second does not, to my mind, qualify as terrorism, and so I question whether the first can be.

An obvious difference recently has been that innocent people have died as a result of swatting, and even without deaths the experience of suddenly finding your home surrounded by heavily armed police must leave swatting victims traumatized and feeling insecure.

What makes swatting even possible, then, is the nature and scale of the police response to unverified reports of domestic violence. How and why police respond as they do to wellness checks is a serious and complex issue. To me it indicates deep failures in both policy and training, as well as weaknesses in hiring and supervision.

I suspect that swatting is largely a problem of policing.

109kiparsky
Ago 26, 2022, 3:34 pm

To begin with, the idea of "terrorism" is not particularly coherent. It's typically defined in tactical terms, as above, but deployed on a more ideologically-conditioned basis, as in >89 Kuiperdolin:, or historically, on an ethnically or religiously-conditioned basis.

Personally, I think the word is pretty meaningless and should be abandoned, but if we wanted to save it it seems like you'd need your definition to include something about a sustained, systemic campaign of intimidation against a civilian populace. You would also have to eliminate qualifiers about "unlawful" intimidation or violence (as in the definition above), since that privileges state terrorism. For example, if a group in some country or region were to commit a sustained and systemic campaign of violence and intimidation against a subset of that region's population, that would obviously be terrorism by any sane definition. And it seems obvious that it's no less terrorism if that campaign is waged by the official police or army, or by a self-appointed "militia", or by the members of a bowling league.

110librorumamans
Ago 26, 2022, 4:26 pm

111John5918
Ago 27, 2022, 12:04 am

>109 kiparsky:

Yes, well put.

112Kuiperdolin
Modificato: Ago 27, 2022, 7:36 am

Three whole threads about tarring the right with the terrorism brush and the instant a Demonrat gets caught red-handed every ones wrings their hands and concludes there is no such thing as terrorism.

Transparent.

113John5918
Modificato: Ago 27, 2022, 8:08 am

>112 Kuiperdolin:

No, nobody is saying there is no such thing as terrorism, but merely unpacking a vague and complex term, and moving towards the conclusion that the act which you labelled as terrorism probably wasn't. Few things are as simplistic as you apparently choose to view them.

You might also note that in a parallel thread I'm as critical of posting hate speech against Trump and his supporters as I would be of hate speech from your side of the political divide. Some things are reprehensible no matter where on the political spectrum they originate.

114Kuiperdolin
Ago 27, 2022, 8:19 am

And yet...

115John5918
Ago 27, 2022, 10:23 am

116kiparsky
Ago 27, 2022, 3:45 pm

>112 Kuiperdolin: So you think that when the police attack civilians in their private houses, that's terrorism?

If so, let's say her name: Breonna Taylor.

117librorumamans
Ago 27, 2022, 3:50 pm

>112 Kuiperdolin:

Who's been caught red-handed?

118kiparsky
Ago 28, 2022, 12:45 pm

Seems relevant to this thread to note that two men were convicted in a plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan. Since we're talking about the definition of terrorism, it seems to me that anyone who believes that "terrorism" is a useful category would believe that this is a terrorism case.

I'd be interested in knowing what >89 Kuiperdolin: thinks about this case, since they seem to be very concerned about terrorist attacks on elected officials.

Not sure if we'll see a response, though, since they don't seem to be good at answering uncomfortable questions. The pattern seems to be that they're mysteriously silent when they have no good answer, so we'll see if they have anything to say this time.

119Kuiperdolin
Ago 29, 2022, 8:43 am

>117 librorumamans: the Demonrats

120Molly3028
Modificato: Ago 29, 2022, 8:54 am

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-promotes-lindsey-graham-warning-there-will-...
Trump Promotes Lindsey Graham Warning ‘There Will Be Riots’ if the Former President is Arrested

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A senator and an ex-president are issuing a call-to-action very similar to the one made by Trump around noon on 1/6. This is the modern-day GOP. Biden has rightly labeled the MAGA Philosophy as 'Semi-Fascism.'

121librorumamans
Ago 29, 2022, 9:07 am

>119 Kuiperdolin:

Names? Dates? Citations?

122Molly3028
Modificato: Ago 29, 2022, 9:29 am

https://www.mediaite.com/donald-trump/trump-encourages-fbi-agents-to-go-nuts-and...
Trump Encourages FBI Agents to Go ‘Nuts’ and Not ‘Take it Anymore’ Over Mar-a-Lago Raid

Despite the facts of the case, in a TruthSocial post from Sunday Trump sought to undermine FBI leadership by seeking to stoke distrust and anger inside the agency.

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This is the face, heart and soul of the modern-day GOP. Lincoln has been thrown into the trash bin of history by its members.

123lriley
Ago 29, 2022, 9:56 am

When it comes to for real domestic terrorism no one can touch what a lot of right wing AR-15 gun toters have done in the last few years. That 18 year old kid who shot up the Tops Supermarket in Buffalo NY for instance was obsessed with white replacement theory. A faux phone call about shooting at a congressperson's home residence isn't the same as that......not even fucking close. Nor were democrats or even Antifa members slugging it out with Capitol and Metro DC police on Jan. 6 2021.....it was conservatives and mainly hard right wingers including Proud Boy, Oathkeeper and various 3% militia members and ironically FWIW probably at least half or more of the cops involved in that right wing riot like most police everywhere were Trump voters and yet these same insurrectionists kicked the crap out of them anyway.

But it's just to say if there's a political component these days to a mass shooting of innocents it's always a right wing shooter of innocents. The real snowflakes it seems to me are all these white rights conservatives who think they're always the ones that are being victimized.

124kiparsky
Ago 29, 2022, 11:13 am

>123 lriley: Good points. I bet our little friend will as usual be completely unable to respond. There's something pathetic about the way they make themselves a mouthpiece for an ideology whose contradictions have them so completely baffled that they can't even pretend to have an answer for them.

Sort of makes their aggressive posturing look a bit hollow and weak, doesn't it? It's almost like they're trying to compensate for something when they borrow someone else's catchphrases.

125Kuiperdolin
Ago 29, 2022, 2:44 pm

>121 librorumamans: what are three things liberals never ask of anecdotes about criminals getting "oppressed"?

126librorumamans
Modificato: Ago 29, 2022, 9:02 pm

>125 Kuiperdolin:

Just tell us — since you claim to know — precisely who was "caught red-handed" swatting MTG.

127prosfilaes
Ago 29, 2022, 10:04 pm

>125 Kuiperdolin: On May 25, 2020, starting at 8:19 and proceeding through 8:28 CDT, police officer Derek Michael Chauvin did place his knee on George Floyd's neck, resulting in George Floyd's death, for which Chauvin was convicted of, among other things, third-degree murder. But hey, you don't care about facts, just mocking the other side.

128lriley
Modificato: Ago 30, 2022, 6:26 pm

Just to go back to MTG for a minute. She hasn't even served one full two year term in congress and her wikipedia page already has its own section just for those she's advocated for killing which include Obama, Clinton and Pelosi as well as executing FBI agents. Kuiper is outraged over some knucklehead calling about shooting at her residence which didn't happen. He doesn't have a problem with her calling murder down on her perceived opponents. I don't give a rats ass if she gets some harassment back to be honest. It's like she's fucking earned it and it's not like she's just some innocent. She's been stoking division and calling for violence for a while. She said 'the only way you get your freedoms back is it's earned with the price of blood'. She gets off on that.

129kiparsky
Ago 30, 2022, 9:42 pm

>128 lriley: I take umbrage at the suggestion that >125 Kuiperdolin: is a hypocrite. The idea is ridiculous.

Kuiperdolin a hypocrite? Pshaw! Why, I'd swear they don't even know the meaning of the word,

130John5918
Modificato: Ago 31, 2022, 12:00 am

>128 lriley: I don't give a rats ass if she gets some harassment back to be honest

Sorry, but I disagree. That's vigilante "justice" that you're tacitly supporting, and in a way that puts you in the same camp as her, someone who wants to by-pass the rule of law and due process. I broadly agree with your politics, I certainly don't think this woman is fit to stand for public office, and if she has made death threats then she should be charged and tried for it, but I disagree with your support for illegal methods.

131lriley
Ago 31, 2022, 8:37 am

>130 John5918: first off John this event at Greene's house doesn't fit into what I would call terrorism by any stretch of the imagination. It's almost unbelievable to me that Kuiper would use this as some big deal evidence of such. It's just so weak. I'm not even sure I'd call it a threat of any kind. That's putting myself in the same situation. So the cops show up and maybe I lose a couple hours of sleep. It doesn't equate to my mind to a whole litany of behavior that Greene or some of her fans have pulled. For instance Laura Loomer traveling hundreds of miles to show up at Ilhan Omar's house yelling and banging on her door or Greene on her first day in Congress banging on Cori Bush's door as she's moving in and really getting in her face and screaming like she wants to throw down. To me that's more the threat than some anonymous yokel making a 9-11 call about something that never happened. At worst it's a 'we know where you live' thing which in this day and age doesn't amount to a whole lot. More than less information that anyone can google on anybody here in the United States if they're so inclined. Give me the names of 100 random people all over the country and I'll have the addresses of 90 of them along with a load of phone numbers before the day is over and I'm pretty computer illiterate compared to most people I know.

Coming from Kuiper it's a bit snowflakey. Coming from Greene it's not just a little snowflakely it's getting back just a little bit of what you've been giving. It definitely doesn't pass the terrorism smell test though.

1322wonderY
Ago 31, 2022, 8:43 am

>131 lriley: It kinda depends on just how the police respond. They were told there had been gunshots. It could have turned much uglier.

133John5918
Modificato: Ago 31, 2022, 9:40 am

>131 lriley:

As I said earlier, I fully agree with you that this doesn't fall into the category of terrorism. As you say, "It definitely doesn't pass the terrorism smell test". But that's not the point I was trying to make. My apologies if I wasn't clear. Regardless of whether or not it is terrorism (and we agree that it isn't), it is illegal and irresponsible. At the very least it is a waste of police time and taxpayers' money.

It concerns me to hear people taking about "getting back just a little bit of what you've been giving", or in other words, she deserved it. If what she was "giving" was illegal, then she deserves to be held accountable in court according to the law, not by having someone commit another illegal act against her, however mild you may think that act to be. The rule of law is for everybody. Your political opponents are already trying to undermine it; don't move in the same direction. Rather try to strengthen respect for the rule of law and due process. And given the escalating political violence in the most heavily armed country in the world, this type of talk only encourages disturbed and angry civilians to pick up their assault rifles and go and shoot the person who is, after all, "only getting back just a little bit of what she's been giving". The Hutus believed that the Tutsis "deserved" what they were getting, because that's what everybody in their identity group was saying.

134aspirit
Modificato: Ago 31, 2022, 10:18 am

Swatting is reprehensible. The level of training for a SWAT team (which is not the same as the main police force) varies significantly from force to force. Some receive very little additional training for their role, only permission to carry the heavy weaponry and armor for it.

So we're clear: Calling the police with a false report is not the same as "swatting". The latter term refers to making a false report that will elicit a violent threat (a militant "public defense" in standard terms) against the target.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/what-is-swatting/

Now was that what happened to Marjorie Taylor Greene? The call seems to have been a swatting attempt, at least.

The caller claimed to a Veterans Affairs crisis like that a man had been shot in her tub, and the police, doubting this scenario, rang her doorbell and asked at her door if it was true. She denied it.

The police officers left and filed their report. In it, the officer says the caller later provided a motivation for the initial call.

The official report was released to news media: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22187355-marjorie-taylor-greene-police-r...

As an aside, I want to point out that MTG was much safer than many of us have been in police encounters. Moving on....

The caller claims to be a conservative troll associated with a cyberstalking site that has been lately targeting transgender rights activists at the same time as MTG has been working to criminalize transgender healthcare. The police report makes the caller out to be for transgender rights, but that doesn't align with the reputation of the Nazi supporter who was named.

Note that none of this shows a Democrat is terrorizing MTG. (A demonrat could be, I suppose. We would have to first believe those exist.)

135margd
Modificato: Ago 31, 2022, 2:44 pm

Here's one of our lovely (not yet a Congressional rep) (at 45YO?) harassing David Hogg, Parkland survivor (at 18YO?):

Video surfaces of Marjorie Taylor Greene confronting Parkland shooting survivor with baseless claims
Paul LeBlanc | January 28, 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-david-hogg-video/...

136aspirit
Modificato: Ago 31, 2022, 10:38 am

There was a second call to police about MTG shortly after. It looks similar at a glance. A big difference would be that the police department would be even less inclined to believe the caller, who went through another crisis line.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/marjorie-taylor-greene-swatted-second-time/

While we're looking at MTG, I think we should also consider the misuse of police against possibly related political targets.

Greene just this month introduced a bill to make gender-affirming care for transgender youth a felony.

{...}In the first swatting attack, the caller also claimed to be an anti-transgender administrator on a notorious internet forum known for doxing and swatting.

The forum, known as Kiwi Farms, is currently involved in a targeted harassment campaign against Twitch streamer and transgender rights activist Clara Sorrenti. Known online as Keffals, Sorrenti was recently forced to flee her home after being swatted as well. Sorrenti was also temporarily arrested after an unknown individual impersonating her reportedly sent a mass shooting threat to lawmakers. While hiding out in a hotel, Sorrenti was reportedly doxed yet again by Kiwi Farms users who were able to find her location after seeing a photograph of the bed sheets in her room.

Although there is no strong evidence at this time linking the swatting against Greene to the campaign against Sorrenti, the fact that the first caller mentioned Kiwi Farms and both callers mentioned transgender-related while targeting the lawmaker suggests that a connection could very well exist.

edited for corrections

137aspirit
Modificato: Ago 31, 2022, 10:49 am

To avoid (further?) misunderstandings: Sorrenti is a Canadian in London.

Trans activists in Georgia are typically quiet or extremely protective of personal info on the national level, in part because of fear of retaliation.

138kiparsky
Modificato: Ago 31, 2022, 1:56 pm

>131 lriley: While I can understand the desire to see people "get what's coming" - it's a pretty human urge! - I have to agree with John on this. It's easy to see how you'd feel that Greene "deserves" a punch in the nose, an alarming visit from the police, or some other consequence for her actions, but that doesn't seem to me like it's actually going to help in any concrete way.

I suppose the question I'd ask you is a simple one: what would be better about the world if Greene "got what was coming"?

139lriley
Ago 31, 2022, 8:09 pm

>133 John5918: I'm fine with the cops finding this guy and doing what they need to do. What I'm talking about in Greene's case is she's been throwing shit around for a few years now and finally something boomeranged back and gave her what amounts to a fat lip and not much more that that and if you think I feel bad about karma taking its course here I don't.

From my perspective though whatever this character with the faux shooting call doesn't move the ball forward as far as our political life goes. It's classic though all the crying and whining now but the Republican Party has been living off of their victimization for so long that it gets the goofballs all charged up again over what amounts to pretty much nothing as far as I'm concerned.

140Kuiperdolin
Set 2, 2022, 1:48 pm

>126 librorumamans: as always the police are protecting the criminal and withholding his name, but it does not make sense otherwise. Got to be a Demonrat.

Why are you butchering my name, lrilame? If you're too dumb to type a four syllable word you can always use copy-paste.

141lriley
Modificato: Set 2, 2022, 3:58 pm

LOL! Offended by such a small thing. I think i’ll continue to refer to you as Kuiper. I never saw it as in any way being disrespectful or demeaning to you and you’re just going to have to learn to live with it. Sorry. Sometimes I like to shorten things.

142prosfilaes
Set 2, 2022, 9:38 pm

>140 Kuiperdolin: "Democrat". Only three syllables.

143margd
Set 3, 2022, 4:28 am

Biden (Thurs night) speech denouncing Trump, 'MAGA ideology' sparks threats, calls for violence
Jana Winter | September 2, 2022

...By Friday afternoon, posts on forums popular among white supremacists and far-right extremists called for the assassination of Biden, and named Jewish administration officials including Attorney General Merrick Garland, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas as potential targets. Declarations of civil war were also appearing, according to documents detailing some of the threats....

...In a statement to Yahoo News on Friday, the White House said that the calls for violence following Biden’s speech illustrate the threat the president described.

"The President’s message couldn’t have been more clear: there is no place in our democracy for political violence,” the statement said. “None. And that some of the more extreme elements in our society are now calling for more violence only proves the very point of his speech ... that we are in a dangerous moment right now, a moment where simply stating the truth about the fragility of our democracy brings out the worst instincts of those who want to tear it apart. The President was right to call them out. The bigger risk to the body politic would have been to remain silent in the face of such a threat."

...On Friday, Biden defended his remarks, noting that he does not believe all Trump supporters are a threat to the country.

"I do think anyone who calls for the use of violence, fails to condemn violence when it is used, refuses to acknowledge when an election has been won, insists upon changing the way that ... you count votes, that is a threat to democracy, to democracy and everything we stand for”...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-speech-denouncing-trump-maga-ideology-sparks-th...

144lriley
Modificato: Set 3, 2022, 5:16 am

>143 margd: Hard to argue on the Biden quotes here. He's absolutely right. I will say semi-fascist doesn't apply to those who would go the route of right wing violence or support in any way. Full on fascist is what it is. Nothing semi about it. And Trump is and so are people like Cruz, Hawley, DeSantis, Rand (more than he is a libertarian), Greene, Boebert, Gaetz and a number of others. The Republican Party has just become a convenient tool they use now to provide them a bit of shelter.

145margd
Modificato: Set 18, 2022, 6:06 am

It’s Time to Call MAGA a National Security Threat
It’s a political movement of election denying extremists, many of whom have threatened or committed violence. Feels like there’s a word to describe this.
Wajahat Ali | Sep. 16, 2022

...If we are to be blunt and honest, this “hate-fueled violence” that is threatening all of our communities is primarily coming from a single source: an incestuous network of MAGA actors, promoted by the GOP and right-wing media, who have increasingly threatened law enforcement, Democrats, educators, poll watchers, doctors, Republicans who don’t support Trump, and anyone and every institution that stands in the way of their white Christian nationalist utopia...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-time-to-call-maga-a-national-security-threat
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Youngstown, Ohio. 17 Sept 2022.

Aaron Rupar @atrupar | 9:23 PM · Sep 17, 2022
this is one of the most bizarre things I've seen at a Trump rally. All it is missing is passing around Kool-Aid right after.
2:17 ( https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308887248179200 )
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MeidasTouch @MeidasTouch | 9:41 PM · Sep 17, 2022:
Tonight’s Trump rally. Do you Nazi what I see?

Photos of rally attendees:
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1571313537645154307/photo/1
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1571313537645154307/photo/2
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1571313537645154307/photo/3
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Duty To Warn 🔉 @duty2warn | 11:02 PM · Sep 17, 2022:
An association of mental health professionals warning now about TrumpISM. #UNFIT doc was released 2020. #UNTRUTH doc will be released before midterms

At tonight's Trump hate rally, the cult behaved like THE CULT. At least that's what the people commandeering it wanted to happen. Seriously - it was some weird shit. It was religious; to the extent people lapped it up, it was worship. The only thing missing was Kool-Aid.

146lriley
Set 18, 2022, 7:03 am

>145 margd: Brought it all together around the qanon themed where we go one we go all. Very much cultish. Those republicans who haven't absolutely dropped every kind of norm have to ask themselves is this who they want to follow? But also independents and really I don't see how Trump's winning over most or even many of them....not if they've been paying any real attention. It's also not like the Democrats for the most part are out there offering great solutions to the problems the citizens of the United States are facing. With this kind of stark contrast they don't even have to. They can generally touch on this or that and stay within the parameters of the norms.....as well as with the SC's decisions on abortion, guns and environment it's easy just to be on the right side of some of that.

I'd point out and you get this even from Liz Cheney she tends to describe the United States in terms of a republic and not a democracy. This is how most republicans want to look at this and it might seem small potatoes but for them I don't really think it is. To them it's who should have the right to make decisions and they don't think that black or brown people for instance and even sometimes women should automatically have that right.

147margd
Set 18, 2022, 7:48 am

"the one true leader of the Republican Party": echoes of the "one true church"!

Adam Weinstein @AdamWeinstein | 5:49 PM · Sep 17, 2022:
@mehdihasanshow on @msnbc /@peacocktv . Before: @newrepublic, @motherjones, @deptofdefense.

It's all there: the stab-in-the-back myth, the "November criminals" who betrayed party and country, the absolute party leader who is both supreme victim and savior... all presented to the faithful at charismatic rallies. It's banal to explain that this is fascism at this point

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Acyn @Acyn · 14h
{Marjorie Taylor} Greene: The future under Republicans… loyally follows the one true leader of the Republican Party and you know who that is. He’s the one we elected in 2016 and the one we re-elected in 2020 who won the election
0:47 ( https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1571249455365763074 )
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Barry R McCaffrey @mccaffreyr3 | 10:20 PM · Sep 17, 2022:
@NBCNews @MSNBC Four Star US Army General Ret. Four combat tours. Three Purple Heart awards. Council Foreign Relations. Inter-American Dialogue.

Astonishing Trump language. The crowd is similar to a Nuremberg rally 1936. A lawless Trump in office in 2024 election would slide us into autocracy and deny our Constitutional safeguards. This is our greatest danger as a nation since 1860. VOTE.

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Aaron Rupar @atrupar · 10h
this is one of the most bizarre things I've seen at a Trump rally. All it is missing is passing around Kool-Aid right after.
2:17 ( https://twitter.com/mccaffreyr3/status/1571323249870671874 )

🌸ₘ.ₐ. ₗₐₚᵢₙₛₖᵢ🌸 @Empressmish13:
The music is related to QAnon -- their supposed theme music. Raising a finger is a sign for their slogan"Where we go one, we go all.”
Looks like he's publicly gone full on in courting the QQuacks now.

1482wonderY
Set 18, 2022, 8:21 am

I’ve wondered all along how representative Trump's rallies are of the larger population. I wish someone would do a formal study of the numbers of attendees who are “groupies” and who travel from distances to attend rallies repeatedly.

The local news station in Youngstown did an informal query:
https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/like-going-to-a-rock-concert-trumps-support...

“They came from all over — Indiana, Tennessee, Connecticut, Florida and near Cleveland. Some have been in Youngstown since early this week.

“We come and hang out so we can get a good place in line,” said Sharon Anderson, of Tennessee.

Anderson is part of a group called the “Front Row Joes.” They head to the former president’s rallies early to tailgate, in a sense.

This will be Anderson’s 27th Trump rally and Boatman’s 25th consecutive but 43rd overall.

Libby Earle DePiero has been to more than 60, while Saturday will be Jared Petry’s 10th rally.

They say the experience is one of a kind.

“I just love being there. It’s like going to a rock concert, like from the old days when you used to travel around. It’s like the enthusiasm and the crowd, it’s just such energy, and it gives you such joy,” said Earle DePiero, of Connecticut.

“It’s incredible. It’s the most fun thing I’ve ever had, just the energy and the passion and the crowd. It’s just really a remarkable experience. Actually, it’s kind of addicting. You do one, and it’s so exciting and fun, you look on your phone, ‘Where’s the next one? Where’s the next one?'” said Petry, of Brunswick, Ohio.

“We get together on Facebook to find out who’s going to what rally,” Earle DePiero said.

The group members say they’ve made lifelong friends attending Trump rallies in different parts of the country.

149librorumamans
Set 18, 2022, 11:32 pm

>148 2wonderY:

This behaviour seems to me to exactly illustrate something that Émile Durkheim said about religion:

Religious ... rites are a manner of acting which take rise in the midst of the assembled groups and which are destined to excite, maintain or recreate certain mental states in these groups.

And in the context of these rallies it is – like the Nuremberg rallies – extremely dangerous.

150kiparsky
Set 19, 2022, 12:35 am

IMO, the Trump rallies represent an alarming trend, but not anything even remotely resembling a majority, and I think most people on the right see this as well. You can see this, for example, the frantic backpedaling that even the Trumpiest candidates are doing on both the Big Lie and their support for enslaving women. These people are evil, but they're mostly not idiots, and they can see that if they try to sell either of those positions, they lose. Instead, they stick with the Trump line in the primary, and then try to paint themselves as sane when it comes to the general. It's not clear whether they'll be able to run fast enough to get away from their own video clips, but it looks like they're going to give it a whack.

151lriley
Set 19, 2022, 3:25 am

Much of the framework for future success has already been built though. One can see it in some states more than others. Take Wisconsin for instance. Overall turnout for state elections more often favor the democrats but the Republicans still end up time and again with clear majorities in both legislative houses. They control the state Supreme Court and meanwhile on the federal level not only has the Supreme Court been stacked but McConnell and republicans in the US Senate (particularly during Trump’s presidency) have emplaced hundreds of federalist society vetted judges and it’s fairly clear that Wisconsin is a template they have in mind for other states and by controlling state houses and the courts they can also control who votes and who doesn’t.

152margd
Set 19, 2022, 6:29 am

>145 margd: contd.

Old footage, but telling:

A wannabe fascist dictator
0:24 ( https://twitter.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1571677504670208002 )

- 🥀_Imposter_🕸️ @Imposter_Edits | 9:48 PM · Sep 18, 2022

153librorumamans
Set 19, 2022, 8:52 am

>150 kiparsky:

Don't overlook the gerrymandering and the voter suppression.
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