When I click on the link, I am brought to a page without the work number (URL: https://www.librarything.com/work/book/163591179 ). This page still shows 117 members, but indicates there is only a single review of the book. However, if I click on any of the left sidebar links (Work details, Members, Editions, etc) I am brought to a completely different work ID: https://www.librarything.com/work/16060008/workdetails
This second work is an audiobook version of The Penderwicks at Last, but it only shows 6 members (I am not one of them). This is the work that shows up on the author's page and on the series page. So even though I own a copy of the book and can search for it in my library, when I am looking at other places on LibraryThing the green checkmark indicating I have the book in my library does not show up.
I do not know if this problem is occurring on any other works, but it is affecting at least this one.
What I do see as a problem is 1) the fact that you have a copy of a work in your library, but aren't seeing those green checkmarks. This same issue came up a few weeks ago for a different member—I'm still not sure of the initial cause, but in the previous case, clearing that member's caches resolved the issue. I've cleared your caches now. Can you tell me whether you're seeing the green check marks now?
The other problem is 2) the discrepancy between the number of members reflected here. I'm still working on figuring that out. This page: https://www.librarything.com/work/20891039 redirects here: https://www.librarything.com/work/16060008. The former, by way of your individual book, reflects that 117 members have this book. The latter, only 6.
Edited to add: I have a second account that contains an import of my Goodreads account (shadrachanki), and that account is showing the same "no checkmarks" behavior for this book.
Another piece of data that may be useful: when I am in my catalog looking at this book, and I click on the 117 next to the members icon or the 4 next to the reviews icon (in the rightmost column), I am taken to an error page that states: "Problem: There is no work with that reference number."
Ah, I see that the members and reviews links from your catalog are still pointing to work# 20891039, which does not exist, when they should be redirecting to the new work# 16060008.
redirects to https://www.librarything.com/work/book/163591179
do not properly redirect.
Really, it looks like any link without the book# isn't forwarding to the new work#. I would expect this to sort itself out in no more than a couple hours, but...
After more than a week, it seems unlikely this is merely the result of the system needing to catch up to recent combination/separation actions.
At least a few more people have added this book since I last checked, and I did some combination work with a couple of German editions today in the hopes that it would unstick things somehow (does not seem to have had much of an effect).
German editions are now combined in properly, but everything else is still in the same weird limbo state.
The book doesn't show at the author pages as owned by me.
My copy: https://www.librarything.com/work/book/173261489 shows 1 copy of the work. The tags and ratings of the work are visible here.
My copy is not listed in editions: https://www.librarything.com/work/12506310/editions/173261489, there are 39 copies of the work.
I have tried recalculating to no avail. Not sure what else I can do.
1. Go to https://www.librarything.com/catalog/shadrach_anki&deepsearch=penderwicks+at.... Note the URLs for the members and reviews icons for the book (in the tool area) show work number 20891039.
2. Click on the title for The Penderwicks at Last. (NB: URL doesn't include the work number: https://www.librarything.com/work/book/163591179.)
3. Click on any of the links in the left-hand menu of the work page. See work number in URL is now 16060008.
4. If you go back to https://www.librarything.com/catalog/shadrach_anki&deepsearch=penderwicks+at... and open the members or reviews links in the tool area, you get https://www.librarything.com/problem/18, "There is no work with that reference number." error message.
5. The same thing is happening for AbigailAdams26: https://www.librarything.com/catalog/AbigailAdams26&deepsearch=title%3A+pend....
Bug: There is a phantom work number 20891039, for which members with that work aren't showing up on work number 16060008. Perhaps a failed work combination of sorts.
ETA: the work you mentioned (https://www.librarything.com/work/4306965/members/173166987) is the first part of book 4, the problem is with the second part of book 4.
I'm not quite sure why my newly acquired copy of La fille de Vercingétorix doesn't show up on the main page or the author page of Jean-Yves Ferri:
Author page Ferri
Works page as accessed from author page
My library links to https://www.librarything.com/work/book/179317455.
The work page linked to the author page is at https://www.librarything.com/work/23537299. (The author page is at https://www.librarything.com/author/fenskejonathan. As a side note, that page is showing as insecure.)
Typing the work ID into my edition's address brings up the correct page: https://www.librarything.com/work/23537299/book/179317455. However, I don't see a way to get there without typing in the address. (ETA: There is data missing.) I am also missing the check on touchstones for that work.
The members counts are wrong. I don't appear in the list of members on the main work page.
My review shows up on none of the work's public-facing pages.
I'm not sure why they happen that way sometimes (would have to get Tim to weigh in on that)
Tim didn't weigh in for ten months. Then when I referred to this thread where it seemed relevant,
he said there, not here,
There is no missing work-id bug, as the second message explains.
This certainly looks like a bug. I see no actual explanation in message #2 of how it's not.
We members don't know why the work is missing in some links. What we do know is that once a book entry generates the link without the work ID:
-- any following book entry goes to the work version that does not include the work ID (so deleting the edition to re-add it is useless)
-- editions without a work ID in the links from members' libraries cannot be combined with editions that have a work ID
-- links from missing-ID works to member catalogues are broken, resulting in an error
-- edition data for the members with the missing-ID work does not appear on the work's main page
-- reviews (including ER reviews) for the missing-ID books are not counted
-- reviews for the missing-ID books are not visible on the work page
-- the missing-ID work editions do not count toward the main (ID'd) work
-- the missing-ID work editions do not appear in searches
-- missing-ID work editions are not included in links from author pages (see message #67 for an update)
-- checkmarks do not appear on touchstones or lists for the members with that missing-ID work
Did I leave out anything significant? (ETA issues.)
The Penderwicks at Last
Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden in de Tweede Wereldoorlog. Deel 4
Joy to the World How Christ's Coming
La fille de Vercingétorix
Let's Play Crabby
The Hollywood Book Club
The versions missing work IDs must be accessed through member libraries. This list is of the main works.
>40 aspirit: The touchstone of the work should be Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden in de Tweede Wereldoorlog. Deel 4, 2e helft
(I had to add the worknumber (12506310) to make the touchstone work, my book is https://www.librarything.com/work/book/175349024, now 2 members have this entry)
ETA: one more problem, when I click on members (2) of the book in my catalogue I get this: Problem There is no work with that reference number.
Ahh, I saw that reference number error reported in another thread and didn't understand it. I'm not sure how to state the problem. "Missing-ID works do no link to a members list (Problem 18)"?
What is says,
When you don't understand the bug as reported.
Fix for the bug needs discussion (i.e., "What should it do?").
My reasoning: The LT team doesn't understand the bug as reported and needs to read the discussion. That is, unless Tim wants this behavior in works for some mysterious reason. If the missing work IDs are not a "bug" but something intentional on his side, then I think we all deserve an explanation for what should happen. Otherwise, we won't know how to report the problems that he is willing to have fixed.
(1) Do we have any example of a work that is added to a catalogue without a work ID but doesn't have these problems?
(2) What else would we call the bug? The common denominator appears to be the missing work ID. Something behind the scene is causing the missing ID, but we have no clue as to what that is. It only makes sense to identify the problem with what we know.
(3) "So, the missing work ID isn't actually an issue" was a mistaken assumption that wasn't addressed by the LT team. Tim was (to put this politely) inaccurate in saying message #2 in this thread. He could have checked the most recent messages before asserting this is "not a bug" that needs to be addressed. He's pretty much said that he's going to continue to ignore our frustrations and not have the problems resolved unless he happens to make a fix by working on (only) the ER problem. Meanwhile, members are losing access to the site's primary features.
(1) I don't think we have evidence that the books so not have a work ID when they are added to the site*. Sometimes book URLs don't have work IDs because their work has been combined, moving the book ID from one work ID to another work ID. The work ID might be lost later. Especially since as mentioned in >8 saltmanz: there are two work numbers for The Penderwicks at Last (and two work numbers for Selected Poems by D.H. Lawrence on the other thread), they're just not properly combined together.
(2) I like "books in limbo" or "works not properly combined" or "phantom work" as mentioned in >25 kristilabrie:
(3) The fact that the work ID is missing is not itself an issue, but I agree that it's annoying that he did not read further on this thread (especially since several other threads with examples of this bug have been closed as duplicates and redirected here). It's very frustrating that this bug was reported almost a year ago and there's been no movement.
*My personal conspiracy theory is still that this bug: https://www.librarything.com/topic/312780 (when I manually add a "book" that no one else has, it creates two works) is the origin of this bug.
For my curiosity, I checked the link from your catalogue: https://www.librarything.com/work/5197633/book/18309185. Yep, there's a work ID. Lucky book.
For alternative phrases:
I dislike "books in limbo" or "works not properly combined" for implying that we can either (1) wait for the system to sort out these books or that we (2) can combine the searchable books with work IDs with the ones the hidden books without work IDs. We can't combine them. Waiting doesn't seem to be any more effective than refreshing or clearing out a cache (on the member side).
A "phantom work" brings to mind the works that have zero copies. I could say missing-ID books are phantom books is that are kind of dead compared to books with IDs, and they're hard to see. What goes against that phrasing is how these phantoms grab at new entries. They're more like vampires. Also, we'd be ignoring how we can identify when these books are victims of this bug instead of another: the missing work ID from the catalogue link.
The problem is that there is no LINK between the book and the work, it is missing or corrupted. And it is not possible to correct it with combining or other tools.
A normal book URL without work id looks like this: https://www.librarything.com/work/book/174440758 These are legitimate URLs and the site uses them in many places. For example, on a member Profile page in the "Currently reading" section.
Note that there are 933 members with that work. Click on "Work-only work page" on the right side of the page, that takes you to
which also has 933 members. It's the same work and the book is correctly connected to the work.
A broken book URL without work id looks exactly the same: https://www.librarything.com/work/book/175349024 This URL comes from the profile page of FAMeulstee in the "Currently reading" section.
There are 2 members with that work. If you click on "Work-only work page" on the right side of the page it takes you to
which has 39 members.
The book is not properly connected to the work.
edited for conciseness
One book's link goes to https://www.librarything.com/work/23701683/book/179529850
The other book's link says https://www.librarything.com/work/23660765/book/179061136 but then redirects to https://www.librarything.com/work/book/179061136
I can only get to my copy through My Library https://www.librarything.com/work/22601731/book/180665878
It was added on 2020-03-28
Dichter in de jungle (removed)
>62 FAMeulstee: Dichter in de Jungle seems to have not been the same issue. I think the problems continue with all the rest of the books listed here.
I can confirm that the problems are still present for The Penderwicks at Last, a year after I first noticed and reported them. The phantom work ID is still grabbing most of the copies that get added to LibraryThing.
The series info shows up under Series & Relationships but not near the title at the top of the page.
The main work page, the one that has an ID, has both links to the (same) series.
Interestingly, the Members count on the two work pages (the one with a work ID and the one without) is now the same. Although, my review continues to not exist on the main page.
but is still a problem
The Burning White by Brent Weeks
The copies missing the work ID greatly outnumber the original (166:22)! That means the main work page and search results shows a small amount of the copies for the book. The majority of members who have this work in their catalogues won't see checkmarks for it on touchstones.
The page of The Penderwicks at Last that appears in search results shows 17 copies and 4 reviews for the work.
When I click on the page that doesn't appear in search results...
there are 187 copies and 4 reviews.
Jeanne Birdsall's author page shows the smaller count of 17 copies.
Hundreds of copies are not showing up in counts on search results and author pages.
No. Site search is entirely separate from your catalog, and throwing up alarm bells about ZOMG MISSING DATA when that's not what's going on is neither honest, helpful, nor going to get the bug fixed any more quickly.
What might help is changing the status back from the very low-priority "Needs discussion" - which is generally used by devs to indicate that there's nothing here they can do until members weigh in with actual details, and thus there's no point in wasting time on the bug at the moment - to "Reopened", which I've done.
Also, when was the status closed? I'm confused about why this thread had to be reopened.
Not missing *books*, though, in the sense of being gone from your catalog (based on what you said in #74), just "not showing up in site search" which happens all. the. time. and is not a sign of anything missing.
You marked the bug as "Needs discussion" (thus lowering its priority from the previous status of "reported") on March 3.
just "not showing up in site search" which happens all. the. time. and is not a sign of anything missing
We're going to have to disagree about counts as missing, as I think hundreds of books (possibly more) being inaccessible except through direct links that do never appear in site searches counts. I consider finding works by titles or author searches, identifying how many copies are catalogued, and accessing other members' public reviews from work main pages as part of LT's core features. I'm not only here for my own catalogue data (or Talk).
Also, to confirm: are you saying work pages have been hidden from site search since before 2019?
Not showing up in site search has been a problem since long before 2019, yes. It's almost always a temporary condition. What you've described here is different from that, and is undeniably a bug, but it's not a missing book bug. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed! Just that "missing books" is the wrong way to categorize it.
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Book One of Three
Now resolved for this work.
My copy of the book is here: http://www.librarything.com/work/book/179351622
The primary title record is here: http://www.librarything.com/work/18799486
LT believes I have not completed the series, because my copy isn't attached correctly to the "real" record, so no green check mark. How to resolve? Thx.
This one looks a little different-- fuzzi's book has a work ID-- but some of the behavior is the same.
Give it the night for the search index, though.
I need help, please. I thought I would combine this myself but I can't work it out.
Who's That Earl
When I added 97851611075 to my books I only got two results, one with 1 member and one with 0 members so I picked https://www.librarything.com/work/book/199690435
Looking at the book, there are 25 members so I assume that the copy I picked is not combined. When I look at 'Editions' on my copy (1 member), it shows 25 members - so does that mean it's already combined? I'm confused.
ETA: it's not combined. If I click on the touchstone it doesn't show that I have added the book.
It looks like it's partially combined. If I click on Members or the 1 member on my copy's main page, it takes me to the page with 25 members but my name doesn't show on the 'recently added by' list.
ETA: ... but, as yet, I can't add a review by clicking on the touchstone.
ETA What happens when you write something in the review part of "Edit your book"?