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1bemidjian
Lug 19, 2007, 9:30am

Greetings:

Tomorrow night I will be conductor on a recreation of Hogwarts Express being done in Duluth by Northern Lights Books and the North Shore Scenic Railway. I will provide an update after the trip.

Here is an article I wrote after HP6 came out. It was bought by one of the railfan mags in the states but was not printed for technical reasons.

Back in the summer of 2003, Anita Zager was a muggle with a problem. It was a very unusual problem for a muggle, since it involved many wizards and witches, 6,000 mostly human runners, and the biggest publishing success story in recent history.

The problem had been caused by a number of factors, including Harry Potter, the popular Wizard-in-training creation of British author J. K. Rowling. The creative solution, first offered by her husband, Tim, has brought nationwide attention to this bookstore owner from Northern Minnesota, because the solution put Harry Potter on the tracks of the Northern Pacific Railway, and on the platform of an NP caboose.



Now, Harry Potter is known to be a train rider. On most years, just before the start of another term at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, Harry and his friends must go to King's Cross Station, one of the major railroad terminals in London, and find his way to platform 9≤. Once there, he and the other scholars board a special train that takes them on a day-long journey to their school.



The train, which has been featured in the Harry Potter movies, is a ten-wheeler steam locomotive built in 1937 by Swindon, one of the major locomotive factories in the British Isles. It is painted red, as is the following train of typical English passenger carriages from the middle of the Twentieth Century.



Such a train was not available on short notice when Harry Potter was coming to Duluth, Minnesota. But there were other trains and a beautiful old railroad station that could do the job.



The problem that Anita Zager faced in 2003 was an unusual one. Anita operates Northern Lights Books, a family business located in the Canal Park section of Duluth, not far from the city's famous lift bridge. It is also a short distance from the tracks of the North Shore Scenic Railway, a tourist-carrying passenger railroad that operates from Duluth to Two Harbors, 25 scenic miles along or near the shore of Lake Superior.



Duluth has many community events in the course of a year, but one of the biggest, and the one that literally stops traffic, is Grandma‚s Marathon, a 26 mile footrace that runs from Two Harbors to Canal Park in Duluth each summer. It attracts thousands of runners and causes the closing of many Duluth streets for the greater part of a business day, one Saturday each year. The trouble for Anita was that the 2003 Marathon, one of the biggest days of the year in Duluth, was to be run on the same day that the long-awaited Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix was to be released. The Marathon runners would pass down the street directly in front of Northern Lights Books, preventing all but the most determined customers from getting to her store. It would be a great day for the several other booksellers in Duluth. For Anita, it was something you wouldn't wish on a Dursley or a Malfoy. Well, maybe a Malfoy.



Tim Zager is a railfan, a sometimes officer of the Lake Superior Railroad Museum, and a qualified train crew member on the North Shore Scenic Railway. He suggested to his wife that since the Harry Potter books always have a sequence featuring a train, it would be appropriate to have a train deliver the hundreds of copies of Order of the Phoenix that Anita expected to sell. They could then celebrate the arrival of the book by throwing an event in the ample space of Duluth Union Depot. It was an idea worthy of Professor Dumbledore.



Duluth Union Depot was built in 1893 to serve several of the many railroads that operated in the city of 100,000 on the shores of Lake Superior. The building is one of eight railroad stations that once served Duluth. The building is of Norman Architecture with yellow brick, multiple floors, and a tower at the two front corners. You enter from Michigan Avenue on the near west side of the town's main business district. You could buy tickets, look for something to read on your train trip, and have a meal or a snack at the lunch counter while you were at street level. If you climbed the stairs, you could visit the offices of several railroad executives and supervisors based in Duluth or apply for a job on the Northern Pacific. If you got to one of the towers you could see where several men dispatched the trains Northern Pacific ran to Minneapolis, Staples, or Ashland. If you descended two flights of stairs, you would reach the tracks. These seven tracks hosted
passenger trains with names like Gopher and Badger and Arrowhead and the Skally Job. The Duluth trains were mostly short-distance trains running to Minneapolis-Saint Paul, to Staples, Minnesota, where connections could be made with trains running to the Pacific Coast, to Grand Forks, North Dakota, to several of the mining towns on the Mesabi and Vermillion iron ranges, and to Ashland, Wisconsin.



The station was used by trains of the Northern Pacific, the Great Northern, and the Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range lines. It also had its own personal railroad, the Duluth Union Depot & Transfer Company, which owned about three miles of adjacent track and one little yellow and red diesel locomotive that switched and assembled passenger cars into outbound trains.



Passenger train service to Duluth ended in May, 1969, with the operation of the last Duluth-to-Staples train. Most of the other stations in Duluth were demolished. Many of the railroad tracks near the station were covered over by the concrete of an interstate highway. But the depot building and a few access tracks remained. They were saved when community leaders decided the building was suited for an arts and cultural center, with space for a few old trains in the basement. Arts organizations located their offices in the building. An art museum, a theatre, a children's museum, gift shops and a re-creation of a main street in a northern town gradually became features of the building. Amtrak rented space in the building for eight years to serve the North Star to Chicago and the Arrowhead to the Twin Cities.



The collection of trains in the basement kept growing: passenger cars, freight cars, a log loader, a wrecking crane, a palatial private car used by railroad executives, a railway post office car, the first steam locomotives of the Northern Pacific and of the Great Northern, a few run of the mill steam and diesel freight locomotives that had been used in the area, a multi-unit electric locomotive from Montana, and one of the largest steam locomotives in the world. Some of this equipment was used on a variety of passenger schedules. Trains ran to the Lester River bridge on the east edge of the city; others ran to Two Harbors, and still others to intermediate points. There were occasional expensive dinner trains, economy beer and pizza trains, and special trains for parties, class trips, and weddings.



And then there was the Hogwarts express.



There was an ample supply of railroad equipment and a covered trainshed to keep any visiting wizards and muggles protected from the rain. The idea caught on, and over 500 Potter fans, some of them muggles, attended the ceremony for the fifth Harry Potter book.



For the release of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince, there was no repeat of the racing problem. The Marathon had been run in June. A dog show at the nearby convention center was the only conflicting event in Duluth, but dogs were not incompatible with wizards. The grand old railway depot had been such a perfect location for the previous release, the building looking like it could be part of a branch campus of Hogwarts, that Northern Lights Books selected it as the site for the next event. Work started early, with all employees at the bookstore brought into the planning. Another fifty, volunteers who were friends and or customers of the store, joined the planning.



Sometime in June, 1,500 pounds of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince arrived in Duluth. The books in their specialized shipping boxes were loaded into a caboose at the railroad museum. Some advertising was bought, and a press release went out to area media.



July 15 was a hot and muggly night in Duluth. Broken clouds offered an occasional glimpse of a first quarter moon. The forecast hinted at rain as the event­volunteers started to arrive at the depot. Finishing touches were applied to a decorating project that transformed the depot's main waiting room into a model of the Hogwarts Dining Hall. There were trays of treats to prepare and a stack of Potter related crossword puzzles, find a word puzzles, and trivia questions to place on the dining tables. There were special effects to arrange downstairs and potions and creatures to distribute. Most of the volunteers arrived in costume, many homemade with considerable skill, some assembled from existing wardrobes. Many of the customers displayed equal skill.



At 10:00 PM, the station doors were opened. Potter fans first walked a gauntlet of witches and wizards acting as security and guides, ticket sellers and ticket takers. The front house staff included one token muggle in business casual clothing. Down the entry corridor, the fans were stopped at the entrance to the dining hall by the portrait of the fat lady. She demanded a password from everyone entering, and routinely changed the password at whim. The fat lady took pleasure reprimanding anyone trying to enter while using a cell phone. Eventually 730 Potter fans arrived for the event.



After passing the portrait, guests entered the dining hall, where chocolate frogs, Bertie Botts jelly beans, and more mundane treats like pretzels and Pepsi were available. Across the room, a Potter trivia contest with evolving panels of contestants and a sorting hat ran through the evening. The Gabriel String Quarter performed a variety of wizardry music and classical pieces like the Masterpiece Theme and Handel's Arrival of the Queen of Sheba from their station by a waiting room fireplace. The fireplace contained a prominent sign prohibiting floo travel.



A Harry Potter store run by a crew of witches operated at the spot where the station lunch counter functioned until 1967. Professor McGonagall held court where ticket buyers used to line up to pay the fare, inviting guests to meet her pet, a small and well-behaved screech owl from Cleveland named Archimedes. The ticket seller area held extra stocks of bread racks full of chocolate frogs.



For two hours muggles and wizards mingled. There were many Harry Potter look-a-likes, several very good Hermione Grangers, one excellent Hagrid, and a man in a ratty overcoat bearing a sign: "Unemployed Wizard: Will cast spells for food." T-shirts bore messages like I Speak Parseltongue and Walking in a Wiccan Wonderland.



At track level, a local high school chemistry teacher and her top students performed magic like dust explosions and color changes of substances, the effects often accompanied by approved Hogwarts magic words. On the opposite side of track six, a magical creatures display with snakes and slugs and scorpions was offered. Further back, a fortune teller plied her trade throughout the evening. All around were the trains. Some were open for exploration where you could get a pull-the-throttle and lean-out-the-window experience.



Starting at 11:00 PM, Ken Bueler, depot executive director, took occasional breaks from his role as a very busy house-elf to announce the progress of the train approaching Duluth, passing through nearby towns and then through neighborhoods along the Missabe route. Book buyers were advised to assemble on the platform for track 6, which, for this night anyway, was Platform 9 ≤.



The train itself had really not moved very far. The engine was an industrial diesel switcher, a 45 tonner built by General Electric in 1952, operated by remote control, and used to switch a power plant owned by Minnesota Power and Light. It would push Northern Pacific caboose 1311, a wooden caboose built in 1913 that had trailed Minnesota freight trains for 60 or more years.



Anticipation grew rapidly after Bueler announced the train had passed the Fitger Brewery, one mile from the depot. All the guests crowded the platforms along track 6. Some museum staffers attempted to start a dry ice fog machine. A costumed Potter stand-in and a local model railroader, who was conductor for a night, walked the back way out to the train.



At two minutes to midnight, you could hear the sound of a diesel engine if you listened closely. A shrill and not very strong whistle confirmed the event. There were cheers, and a chanting of Harry!!! Harry!!! as Kevin Acker, a museum and scenic railway manager, opened the doors for track six and the short train backed into Duluth Union Depot. Its cargo was hundreds of books, many stacked for easy viewing through the caboose windows, and a smiling Harry Potter on the rear platform.



The rest of the night is all the sounds of turning pages. A long line waits to climb the caboose steps to claim their book from Harry Potter. Beside the caboose stand three costumed dementors, eagerly reading the first chapter.



It's a different world out there after I leave the depot, a muggle world slowly closing down for the night. Over at Perkins, I stop for breakfast. There are a few fishermen heading north, a couple of state troopers taking their meal break, a waitress who thinks all this Harry Potter stuff is madness.



But just behind the pancake house there is a railroad track, and the rumor is, come the release of the final Harry Potter book, the Hogwarts Express will run down that track. And the next time, the public, even muggles, will be invited to ride the train.

2John5918
Lug 19, 2007, 10:56am

Nice article, bemidjian. Pity it never got published.

When I watch the Harry Potter films I'm always disappointed at how little of the train we get to see, although I suppose those of us who are more interested in a steam loco than a bunch of juvenile wizards are in a rather small minority.

Maybe this thread is an opportunity to share whatever insights and information we have on the real Hogwarts Express?

I believe the current locomotive is the second one that was painted red for the films - I can't remember what happened to the first one. I believe the current one is Great Western Railways Hall class "Olton Hall" number 5972. The loco still seems to be carrying its original number, but the name plates on the side have been replaced with "Hogwarts Castle". There are some pictures here

The carriages used in the film were vandalised with graffiti a couple of years back.

I seem to remember that there was some controversy amongst railfans in the UK when 5972 continued to run in red, as that's a colour that the original loco would never have carried. Purists would probably also argue that GWR locos did not use Kings Cross Station and it would have been more appropriate to use an LNER loco. I must say a red-painted streamlined A4 Pacific would certainly be something to see! But then again, it's just fantasy, Platform 9 3/4 doesn't really exist (does it?), and it's good to see anything that introduces steam to a new generation who have never experienced it before, whether it be Thomas the Tank Engine or the Hogwarts Express.

3vpfluke
Lug 19, 2007, 8:50pm

Dear bemidjian,

This is a good article, and I am looking forward to your update. The Harry Potter books are huge, so one can see why the trains don't figure prominently in either the books or the trains. But there is a kind of romantic reality in their use in both the books and the movies.

I am under the impression that the Hogwarts trains only operate at the beginning and end of semesters (or school terms, are there two or three in a year?).

Kings Cross Station seems appropriate for a train that I presume is heading north from London, even if the movie uses a Great Western locomotive.

Has anyone seen the movie that has just come out, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix? I haven't, yet.

Has anyone reserved a copy of the final book, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows? Also, no.

4John5918
Lug 20, 2007, 3:44am

vpfluke, you're right about the station. It would have to be Kings Cross or Euston for trains to the far north. Euston is a very modern-looking station which probably wouldn't have fitted the book, but Kings Cross still maintains some "olde worlde" character. They're planning to demolish the ticket offices and shops which were tacked on to the front of Kings Cross in the 1960s or '70s, so the original facade should be visible soon. Pity they can't rebuild the doric arch which was a central feature of the old Euston, although I think they've found some bits of it dumped in a river so who knows.

Haven't seen the film yet (waiting for a couple of weeks for the cinema to be slightly less packed) nor ordered the book (waiting for it to come out in paperback or at least to be available more cheaply after the initial rush has passed). I've enjoyed reading most of the Harry Potter books but am not a serious fan.

5bemidjian
Lug 21, 2007, 12:39pm

I think the death eaters took over my isp overnight. I have barely been able to get on line. But here is the final report on the Duluth train

Last night 420 riders bought tickets on the Hogwarts Express operated by Northern Lights Bookstore in Duluth. The train was led by SD-18 diesel 193 from the Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range Railroad, and the colors of that railroad's locomotive just happen to match the colors of Gryffindor (and also of the University of Minnesota. The train was a baggage car, five coaches (two of them double decker commuter cars) and an old wooden caboose built in 1913.

The release party at the depot drew over 1000. Ticket sales stopped when the reasonable capacity of the terminal building was reached.

Train crew was Frank Kristofferson, engineer, Dan Mackey, Fireman, Dave Umhauer, Conducter and Richard Bergsrud, assistant conductor. Prolific railroad author Patrick Dorin came along as car host and helper. The passenger loading started at 1015 PM on a cool clear night with a first quarter moon. All passengersd were loaded within 15 minutes. The train was then delayed about 5 minutes by a malfunction public address system cable to one car.

We backed out of the station, going west, then switched over to a track that follows the harbor and the shoreline of Lake Superior. The cars were kept dimly lit, with occasional commentary and appropriate music offered over the PA.

The drama occurred near the eastern city limits. At a large clearing, a storm sewer containment structure, the train stopped, and the passengers saw a group of eight costumed death eaters doing a slow dance. Three area students dressed as Harry, Ron and Hermione, emerged from the caboose, ran the length of the interior of the train, detraining at the final coach. They challenged the death eaters, and in a five minute sword and wand combat finally defeated all eight and took possession of a large wooden chest which they carried through the full length of the train to the caboose. The entire dance and combat were illuminated by non-concussive fireworks (it is a quiet residential neighborhood) and railroad safety fusees. Our heroes had just liberated Book 7 from the clutches of the death eaters.

We backed half a mile to Lakeside passing track, ran the engine around to the opposite end of the train, and returned to the terminal. Arrival was 5 minutes after midnight, mostly due to media requested delays. There the passengers and the waiting crowd traded purple tickets for a copy of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows directly from the hands of Harry Potter (played by local high school teacher Laura Jenson) or his stunt double. It took 45 minutes to distribute the books from the caboose.

I am still recovering from what was a very physical trip. My copy of Book 7 is still at Northern Lights. Anita Zager told me at the end of the trip that I am getting a free copy which will be autographed by all of the principals in the operation of the train. So, please, don't anyone tell me how the book ends.

And this may just be the high point of my 40 years of workin on the railroad.

Conductor Dave

6John5918
Lug 23, 2007, 2:51am

Dave, thanks for this atmospheric piece about your Hogwarts train. I can picture the night-time railroad operations. I usually work as fireman (which is very physical, especially since most of our steam locos are hand-fired rather than mechanically stoked) but from time to time I ride as Guard, which I presume is similar to your Conductor. There's plenty of physical work for the Guard when the loco has to run round, be uncoupled and coupled, switches have to be changed, and the safety of passengers and the public has to be assured - all in the dark. Many people don't realise how much walking is involved - a train, even made up of only seven cars, is a pretty long animal, and there's plenty of walking up and down for shunting, brake tests, checking couplers and brake hoses, etc. In South Africa (and presumably elsewhere too) a train is not allowed to run backwards unless there is a qualified person at the rear to give directions to the driver (nowadays by radio, but in days gone by with hand/lamp signals, relayed by other staff if necessary), so that's another responsibility for the Guard - again in the dark.

Sounds like you had a good time. Well done, mate!

7John5918
Ott 9, 2007, 12:14am

Found on the uk.railways newsgroup today:

Warner Bros are filming another HP movie in the Fort William/Glenfinnan area.... steam loco 5972 is involved.

8John5918
Modificato: Ott 12, 2007, 12:23am

Pupils board the Hogwart's Express
Lochaber News
Published: 13 October, 2007

IT'S a return trip to the West Highlands for the making of the latest Harry Potter movie.

And it was all aboard Hogwart's Express at the weekend for 100 senior pupils from Lochaber High School in Fort William.

They were train passengers, in the roles of "apprentice witches and warlocks", for Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.

The adolescent extras are mainly 17-year-olds, emphasising the fact that the hero, Harry, has grown up over the years.

On Saturday and Sunday mornings, the excited youngsters boarded Hogwart's Express at Spean Bridge station.

But the windows of the blood-red coloured carriages, pulled by the Hogwart's Castle steam engine, had had a makeover to simulate a covering of morning dew, which was more than matched by the early misty and wet conditions.

So the teenagers couldn't wave out from the train as it pulled away from the platform.

Hogwart's was constantly in the sights of a helicopter-borne camera crew as it headed along the West Highland Line to bleak Rannoch Moor.

Meanwhile, filming for the Warner Brothers epic has commenced once more in Glencoe, Glenfinnan and Glenspean to ensure continuity with the previous five titles.

Glencoe, for example, provided the backdrop for Hagrid's Hut, the Sundial Garden and the Bridge to Nowhere, for the Prisoner of Azkaban.

And the Glenfinnan railway viaduct is now more familiarly known to hundreds of thousands of tourists as the "Harry Potter Bridge".

In the previous Harry Potter screenplays, Hogwart's Express crossed the viaduct in clouds of steam while, in one of the films, Harry's Ford Anglia soared over it.

It was close to Glenfinnan, too, that Hagrid's Kingdom was created on an islet in the middle of Loch Eilt.

Insiders say that the Harry Potter links with Lochaber became so strong over the previous five movies that the established Highland settings simply have to make a reappearance in Half-Blood Prince to ensure recognition continuity in the storylines.

For the first time, however, the cameras have been rolling at Loch Arkaig, in "Commando Country", bordered by Achnacarry and Glenspean.

An airborne film unit, and cameramen aboard a fish farm boat have been shooting computer-enhanced sequences, above and on the loch, the tranquillity of whose inland waters once echoed to the sound of tracer bullets when the Commandos trained there during World War II.

Link to article

9John5918
Ott 12, 2007, 12:29am

Railfans on uk.railway have also been arguing (with tongue in cheek, I hope) about whether the combination of a Ford Anglia car and a steam loco is correct chronologically. However the consensus seems to be that the Anglia appeared in the early 1960s (I seem to remember that my own Anglia was a 1963 model) and steam survived until 1968, so the Deltic fans are disappointed.

The question: 'Which of these bears less resemblance to reality? 1) Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends books and videos; 2) Harry Potter books and movies. Discuss!' was posed but has not yet been answered...

10John5918
Feb 10, 2008, 12:07am

There appears to be a real "Platform 9 3/4" sign at Kings Cross Station - here

11vpfluke
Feb 10, 2008, 12:16am

#10

That's cool. Now we'll have to see if any of us can walk through that bricked up archway!

12John5918
Modificato: Mar 20, 2009, 7:21am

I've just come across a photo of 5972 "Olton Hall", apparently carrying its own number plates but still in the red paint applied for the Hogwarts Express, in action in 2006. It's here on a new steam website called Steamtube.

edited for link

13John5918
Maggio 24, 2009, 5:42am

Not a train, but then in UK it's very common now for buses to substitute for trains during engineering possessions...

14John5918
Lug 17, 2009, 3:59am

More recent pictures of 5972 on a Hogwart's Express charter here and here

15John5918
Ott 16, 2009, 1:55pm

From The Railway Magazine (UK), November 2009, p79:

Harry Potter filming

GRW 'Hall' No. 5972 Olton Hall began its week-long trip to Fort William on September 16 with five Harry Potter-liveried coaches in tow.

The 'Hogwarts Express' travelled via Shap, Beattock and Cowlairs to the Highlands for a weekend of Harry Potter filming and returned a week later.

16John5918
Giu 19, 2010, 12:37pm

Muggles away: new Harry Potter theme park opens in Florida

I wonder what the "steam-blowing Hogswarts Express train" is like?

17John5918
Giu 21, 2010, 10:13am

The Railway Magazine, July 2010, p 7

Harry Potter takes VT set into King's Cross

Location filming spanning three days started at Kings's Cross station for the final 'Harry Potter' film on May 24.

Whereas previous films had featured West Coast Railway's Mk 1 carriages and GWR 4-6-0 No. 5972 Olton Hall (as 'Hogwarts Castle'), this time Warner Bros had hired Virgin's refurbished Mk 3 rake, topped-and-tailed by DBS class 67s.

No. 5972 did travel from Carnforth to Southall via Tyseley for the filming engagement at King's Cross, however.

Three midweek nights had been set aside for the filming, necessitating temporary removal of scaffolding and other building materials at the London terminus. (END)

The same page has a story about the opening of the new Platform 0 (zero) at King's Cross - a fitting companion to Platform 9 3/4, some might say...

18John5918
Ago 16, 2011, 3:46am

Looks from this newspaper article as if the steam loco is on the front page of the new Harry Potter website. I haven't been to the site to check.

Pottermore: A first look inside Harry Potter's digital world (Guardian)

19vpfluke
Ago 16, 2011, 9:34pm

Entry into Pottermore is closed right now, but I didn't see any locomotives on the front page, or the one page I could look at.

20John5918
Ago 17, 2011, 5:03am

A further disappointment for those of us for whom the main attraction of Harry Potter is the steam loco!

21vpfluke
Ago 17, 2011, 9:01am

I also like the imaginary Kings Cross Station and the flying bus.

22John5918
Ago 17, 2011, 10:24am

Since my first ever car was an Anglia I can also add the flying Ford Anglia to that list.

23vpfluke
Ago 17, 2011, 8:11pm

The 'Knight bus' is a triple decker made from a AEC Regent III RT (the archetypal London bus from the 1950s and 60s ++) with another deck added. Wikipedia has an article about all the Hogwarts special artifacts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_objects_in_Harry_Potter .

24John5918
Ago 18, 2011, 2:37am

I love the RT buses. They were the London buses of my early childhood. The Routemaster was a new-fangled invention which gradually took over from the RT. Last night the comedy "Holiday on the Buses" was on ITV and there was an RT at the beginning of that.

25vpfluke
Ago 18, 2011, 10:35pm

We finally got around to seeing Harry Potter 7b today. Kings Cross again featured, including an afterlife scenario in which Harry encounters the deceased Dumbledore.

I saw a picture recently in an on-line Railway Herald magazine of the redo of Kings Cross Station. Looks very modern to me even though a claim is made about an English heritage review.

26John5918
Ago 19, 2011, 2:20am

I haven't seen much of the redo, except that I know they intend to remove all the single-storey shops and things which appeared at the front of the station in the 1960s (?). The main facade of the station should look good again without all that clutter.

27thorold
Ago 19, 2011, 4:00am

>25 vpfluke:,26
I saw a short item on the BBC the other day (we get the London local news here, for some reason) - as far as I understood it, they are building a new steel structure, with a booking office and a mezzanine restaurant area, opposite the ends of the high-numbered platforms (St Pancras side). When that's open they will clear the gubbins currently obstructing the façade. Everything will be ready in time for the Olympics, of course. No doubt the new booking office will have twice as many sales positions as the present one, but fewer booking clerks...

28John5918
Modificato: Mar 14, 2012, 1:21am

Five-year £500m redevelopment of King's Cross station almost complete (Guardian)

The most frequently asked question, Network Rail bosses admit, is the location of platform nine and three-quarters, boarding point for the Hogwart's Express of Harry Potter fame. Despite the station's reconstruction the monument, a luggage trolley vanishing into the brickwork, has kept tourists queuing - even when relocated to a dismal exterior wall on the accident blackspot of York Way junction, a setting to challenge the most ardent JK Rowling fan's suspension of disbelief.

A new space will be found amid the renovation of the original 1852 building - but discreetly, not between platforms nine and 10, and facing away from any trains lest the incessant flash photography unsights the drivers.

29John5918
Mar 31, 2012, 11:17am

Danger warning after trespassing incident near 'Harry Potter bridge'

WALKERS, ramblers and photographers have been warned of trespassing dangers following a worrying incident close to the "Harry Potter bridge" on the West Highland Railway Line in Lochaber...

The notice... comes after a shocking example of trespassing...

The viaduct... has become a magnet for film-buffs keen to capture images of steam trains crossing it - just as the "Hogwart’s Express" does in the boy wizard films.

30John5918
Modificato: Lug 6, 2012, 7:32am

And now the loco has popped up at Universal Studios in Orlando, Florida. See picture at: http://www.friendsoftherail.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9727&p=29577...

31thorold
Lug 6, 2012, 6:45am

Slightly off-topic, but the BBC has been running a documentary series about the history of the English legal system ("The strange case of the law"). It's presented by a barrister by the name of Harry Potter, so of course the director had to include a sequence in part 1 where he gets onto a train (for Lincoln) at King's Cross. From a perfectly conventional platform, as far as one could tell.

33vpfluke
Lug 26, 2012, 8:49pm

Ecology along remore rail lines can be interesting. The nearby right of way does not need to be kept free of vegetatioBut then it gets cleared by a random fire and then some.

In the Great Plains states in the U.S., I remember reading that some prairie grasses only survived in rights of way of remote rail lines, where the vegetation did not need to be "cleared." So, that is an ecological plus.

34John5918
Modificato: Lug 27, 2012, 6:11am

>33 vpfluke: I remember being in Yellowstone National Park in the USA in the early 1990s some time after it had suffered large-scale forest fires, and there were notices saying that the fires were only a tragedy for the humans; for the forest, it was part of regeneration.

On the clearing of vegetation along railway lines, it's a problem that we face operating steam engines on South Africa's railways. In the old days of steam, the vegetation was cleared regularly, but now it isn't, so we have to be careful. The spark arresters on the locos have to be kept in good condition, driver and fireman try to operate carefully, we carry fire-fighting equipment on the train, our crew is trained in fire-fighting, we keep a fire watch from the caboose at the rear and, on certain lines at the height of the dry season, we have a fire-fighting vehicle following the train on service roads (a pick up truck with fire-fighting kit, not a fully-fledged fire engine). On branch lines we can stop, set the train back and use water from both the blowdown cocks and the auxiliary water tank to extinguish the fire; on main lines we can't stop and set back in section so the pick up truck and its crew have to do the business.

Mind you, not all fires are caused by steam engines. It's not unknown for a landowner to set a fire, blame the steam engine and try to claim off our insurance. Sparks from wheel-spin on a diesel have also been known to start fires. Around shanty towns there are usually rubbish fires burning by the lineside anyway, so we don't have to worry.

37thorold
Lug 14, 2014, 4:02am

>36 John5918:
Another classic bit of journalism: they could be using "train" in the headline to refer to the train, the locomotive, or even the viaduct. It's anybody's guess which.

38John5918
Lug 14, 2014, 7:10am

>37 thorold: Yes, you constantly see train referring to loco, or locomotive referring to multiple unit, or carriage referring to goods wagon, etc.

40vpfluke
Modificato: Set 6, 2014, 4:43pm

# 39
I appreciate your posting about the North Yorkshire Moors Railway. I can always do more Harry Potter, and am currently reading "Harry Potter's Bookshelf: the Great Books Behind the Hogwars Adventure" by John Granger on my Nook. Unfortunately, this book has no rail references in it. The author uses the idea of the medieval four-part analysis of lthe meaning of iterature in his anlysis: surface, moral, allegorical, and anagogic (or mythic).

41John5918
Gen 27, 2015, 1:43am

Platform 9 ¾ expansion to be revealed in March

Original Hogwarts express locomotive to arrive at Warner Bros. Studio Tour London - The Making of Harry Potter ...

42John5918
Modificato: Gen 31, 2015, 5:14am

43thorold
Feb 2, 2015, 5:23am

Admission for one child to the studio tour 25 pounds (plus the cost of entrance for the accompanying adults, parking, cup of coffee, and souvenir toy that gets broken on the way home...). Sometimes I'm glad I don't have children!
I see a full set of Harry Potter books from Amazon costs around 50 pounds.

44RobertDay
Feb 2, 2015, 7:36am

I understand that "Olton Hall" is now out of ticket on its boiler, and a five-year sojourn in the studio tour will pay for the necessary overhaul.

45ulmannc
Feb 3, 2015, 5:18pm

Well that may be a bit faster than the rate it takes steam to be inspected or repaired or approved in the USA!

46RobertDay
Feb 3, 2015, 6:49pm

Don't bet on it. Whilst the insurance companies are reasonably quick to inspect and issue the necessary certificates, repairs are a different matter unless you can throw big money at a project. Most UK heritage railways have got at least one, sometimes many more engines in various stages of dilapidation or rebuild at the back of the shed, left because not enough people have worked on them for long enough, or have run out of money, or both. Twenty or thirty-year restoration projects are common.

47John5918
Feb 3, 2015, 10:27pm

Boiler restorations can run into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

49vpfluke
Mar 23, 2015, 10:12pm

#48

Evocative photograph!

50John5918
Modificato: Mar 26, 2015, 10:15am

>49 vpfluke: It is indeed. I think the most evocative and enduring mental picture of steam in my memory would be a BR locomotive standing like this in Euston Station, but there the similarity ends. The Doric Arch was still there, so it would have been pre-1961 and I would have been a very young lad. Everything was dark and gloomy, the station was black with soot, the loco itself was filthy, steam eddied around, and I recall the roar of a safety valve blowing off. There was no sense of space as in this modern picture of a pristine 5972; the loco loomed out of the gloom, and everything felt small and enclosed, almost claustrophobic. Those were the days!

51ulmannc
Mar 24, 2015, 8:52pm

There was a great photo in Todays Railways Europe of a French (4-8-4?) steamer in green livery running at speed on a mainline cross country that was magnificent. Like a dummy, I gave the magazine to someone who I am sure passed it along. The sense of speed and power was just superb in that shot. . .Oh for that picture. . .

52vpfluke
Mar 25, 2015, 11:56am

I grew up with a picture of a significant U.S. train on the west coast, the Shasta Daylight, connecting two cities I have never visited: San Francisco, California and Portland, Oregon. This picture was in my bedroom as a small child for at least 6 years in 4 different houses. Hopefully my link works:
http://shastaroute.railfan.net/Images/NewDaylt.jpg

53RobertDay
Mar 25, 2015, 5:39pm

I think this is probably the most evocative picture I've ever taken:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30301546@N06/5043961015/in/set-72157624954585383

Southern Railway 4-6-0 'Sir Lamiel' at Barrow Hill, Derbyshire (UK) in 2010.

54ulmannc
Mar 26, 2015, 10:48pm

Love it!!

55John5918
Maggio 10, 2015, 2:05am

Full steam ahead for Jacobite Steam Train

This is one of a number of media articles conflating the Hogwarts Express and the Jacobite. While it's true that the Hogwarts Express ran on the route of the Jacobite, as far as I know there is no other connection, and the locos are certainly different.

The back story is that West Coast Railways, which runs the Jacobite, was temporarily suspended from operating nationwide by Network Rail after a SPAD by a different steam loco operated by WCR on a different line in March 2015. Some details of the incident and its consequences can be found here.

56John5918
Ott 8, 2015, 4:34am

Harry Potter fans warned not to trespass on railways for photographs (Guardian)

Incidentally there's another railway-related thread title on the Hogwarts Express group: "Train Derailments: Off the track and down the rabbit hole!" I haven't looked at it but I doubt whether it has anything to do with train derailments or track.

58John5918
Modificato: Feb 20, 2016, 4:20am

‘Hogwarts Express’ operator forced to halt trips by regulator (The Scotsman)

This refers to the suspension of West Coast Railways following the SPAD incident in Wootton Bassett.

There's a fair bit of background information and conversation on the Friends of the Rail Forum here and here, and on Railroad.Net in this topic.

59vpfluke
Feb 22, 2016, 4:30pm

Interesting to peak at the comments. I'm not sure that the person who dislikes steam because his trip to Paddington from Slough in the 1950's was so dirty that no steam should run today makes a good point for how do craft safety with heritage equipment. I didn't realize that steam is extremely scarce, with Poland, perhaps China and Zimbabwe, along with an obscure freight line in Bosnia being the main steam survivors. I am old enough to remember steam on regular passenger services in the U.S. in the 1960's.

60John5918
Modificato: Feb 23, 2016, 10:39am

Yes, regular commercial steam is extremely scarce. South Africa lost its last example last year when the Sappi-Saiccor paper mill near Durban replaced its three steam engines with diesels.

Of course there's a thriving heritage steam industry in several countries, including UK, Ireland, Netherlands, Germany, France, Switzerland, South Africa, parts of Scandinavia, Australia, New Zealand, USA, etc. Steam runs occasionally in Kenya, Zambia, Eritrea, Thailand and no doubt many other places. I look at Rob and Yuehong Dickinson's International Steam Pages from time to time to remind myself (and indeed I have contributed information and photos from time to time to that website).

Like you, I'm old enough to remember steam as a regular thing during my childhood back in the 1950s and '60s in England. We used to travel from London Euston (which was then a dark smokey cathedral to steam, complete with the famous Doric arch, unlike the bland modern replacement which is apparently itself due for replacement again now, a mere half century later) to visit my grandparents in the north west of England, which was the last bastion of main line steam in UK until it was finally withdrawn in 1968.

61ulmannc
Feb 23, 2016, 10:00am

I remember the B&O coal drags through Delaware Countty in PA. I also remember Virginian electric and steam as well and N&W steam in in Western Virginia west of Roanoke. This was in the mid '50's.

62vpfluke
Feb 23, 2016, 2:29pm

Here is a timeline for 1960 in the U.S. with reference to the phase out of steam on the so-called Class I railroads. I thought I was just copying year 1960 stuff, but his goes 1960-69: all interesting even if not entirely pertinent to Hogwarts. The last regular steam passenger train in the U.S. is the first item below. April 25 1960 is a Canadian train. I think short motor car trains lasted well into the 1970's with "Budd cars" in intercity service and much longer in suburban service. May 17, 1961 is last steam switcher. October 11, 1962 was last regular freight train.

1960

March 27

1 Grand Trunk Western operates last official regular steam-powered passenger trains in U.S., as crowds dictate two sections of Detroit-Durand locals 21/56 behind 4-8-4s 6319 and 6322.

April 14

2 Final runs of longest motor-car run in U.S., 362-mile GM&O trains 9-10 between Bloomington, Ill., and Kansas City.

April 25

Last regular steam-powered revenue-service train on CN, No. 76 from The Pas to Winnipeg, Manitoba, behind 4-8-2 6043.

April 26

3 General Electric enters domestic diesel market with launch of U25B demonstrators.

April 29

Last run of SP narrow-gauge.

May 6

Last day for N&W steam, Y6b 2190 and 0-8-0 291 (ex-215) at Williamson, W.Va.

July

Minneapolis & St. Louis gets permission to discontinue last passenger service, Minneapolis-Watertown (S. Dak.) motor trains 13-14.

August

Harbinger of the “FRED” — Pennsylvania Railroad develops transistorized electric red lamp that flashes constantly every second, plans to use it to displace twin marker lamps on cabooses.

August 13

East Broad Top returns to life as tourist road under owner and savior Nick Kovalchick, as 2-8-2 12 does the honors.

September 6

Maine Central goes freight-only.

October 2

Final IC steam run occurs, a fan trip with 4-8-2 2613, seven months after last regular-service steam at Paducah and Princeton, Ky.

October 17

Delaware, Lackawanna & Western and Erie merge to form Erie Lackawanna.

October 21

Burlington opens new 2,500-foot-long Mississippi River bridge at Quincy, Ill.

October 31

N&W buys Atlantic & Danville, renames it Norfolk, Franklin & Danville.

November 1

Chicago & North Western acquires rail properties of Minneapolis & St. Louis.

November

EMD delivers last F unit, NH FL9 2059.

December

First modern run-through set up as CB&Q and UP pool GP9s, then GP20s, on Chicago-Green River, Wyo., “GI” trains.

1961

January

CN introduces “noodle” image.

January 1

Soo Line Railroad formed by merger of Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic; Minneapolis, St. Paul & Sault Ste. Marie; and Wisconsin Central.

February 4

Lehigh Valley goes freight-only with last run of Buffalo-Newark Maple Leaf.

April 8

Pacific Electric ends passenger service.

May 17

Last regular steam engine in passenger-terminal switching service, Dallas Union Terminal 0-6-0 7, replaced by diesel.

May 24

Last run of Milwaukee Olympian Hiawatha.

June 6

L&N removes 4-4-0 General from Chattanooga Union Station display for tour, which would cover 14,000 miles, 12 states until December 1962.

July 3

First of six 4,000 hp Krauss-Maffei diesel-hydraulic units for U.S. roads (D&RGW and SP) tests at Semmering, Austria.

July 7

New Haven files bankruptcy.

September 5

Bangor & Aroostook goes freight-only on rails, keeps highway bus service.

September 25

Rutland struck, leading to eventual abandonment.

October 18

4 EMD introduces GP30 at automotive GM Tech Center in Detroit.

October 31

Rio Grande’s three Krauss-Maffei diesel-hydraulics arrive at Houston, Tex.

October 31

Lehigh & New England ceases operation; portions acquired by Central of New Jersey.

November 2

Milwaukee Road abandons Mississippi River pontoon bridge at Prairie du Chien, Wis., which had been one of four on system.

November 2

SP Krauss-Maffei diesel-hydraulics enter service at Houston, Tex.

November 20

UP 4-8-4 844 makes first post-regular-steam excursion, Cheyenne-Rawlins.

December 15

MoPac discontinues St. Louis-Pacific (Mo.) “Kirkwood Eagle,” reputed as only commuter train in between Chicago and San Francisco.

1962

May

Southern Ps-4 1401 placed in Smithsonian Institution in Washington.

May

First TRAINS all-diesel issue.

June 29

Last run of Louisiana Eastern, steam-powered gravel-pit line of the late Paulsen Spence.

July 1

N&W discontinues Virginian electrification.

July 28

Baseball special on Pennsylvania derails at Steelton, Pa., killing 19 and injuring 116.

September

Last use of steam by Lake Superior & Ishpeming.

September 28

Strike of C&NW by Order of Railroad Telegraphers ends after 30 days.

September 29

Last steam run on Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range, excursion with 2-10-2 514.

October 4

EMD delivers 25,000th diesel, L&N GP30 1014.

October 11

5 C&S 2-8-0 641, on Leadville-Climax (Colo.) branch, makes last run of regular daily service standard-gauge steam in U.S.

October 17

First road test for UP coal-burning gas-turbine-electric No. 80.

December 21

Reading RDC1 9152 delivered, last of 398 RDCs built by Budd.

December 31

Detroit, Toledo & Ironton assumes control of Ann Arbor from Wabash.

1963

January 21

Chicago North Shore & Milwaukee ceases operation.

January 23

Florida East Coast struck by 11 non-operating unions after railroad would not grant national level wage increase.

February 4

Chesapeake & Ohio acquires control of Baltimore & Ohio.

March

Last Fairbanks-Morse diesel, Chihuahua Pacific H16-44 604, outshopped.

May

Alco introduces Century series diesels.

May 8

Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers marks centennial.

May 14

B&O closes 80-mile Parkersburg-Clarksburg (W.Va.) main line for renovation of 18 tunnels, completed in 5 months.

June

Southern acquires Georgia & Florida.

June 15

First run on Cass Scenic, West Virginia's tourist road on former Mower Lumber property.

June 17

Southern acquires Central of Georgia.

July 10

Southern completes 2-year, $32 million reconstruction project on Rathole Division.

July 23

Last run of C&NW Chicago-Minneapolis Twin Cities 400.

August

Rutland abandoned; portions acquired by State of Vermont.

September

GE U25C's delivered to Oro Dam Constructors for 3½-year, 12-mile California railroad.

October

Ex-Virginian EF-4 electrics enter service on New Haven.

November 16

Last run of mixed train on N&W Abingdon branch in North Carolina.

December

EMD delivers last E unit, Seaboard Air Line E9 3060.

1964

May 6

Last run of L&N commuter train between New Orleans and Pass Christian, Miss.

May 7

Railroads begin eliminating fireman from locomotives.

May 20

Burlington celebrates 100 years of Chicago-Aurora service by hauling 3,304 passengers in bilevel train behind gold-painted 4-8-4 5632.

June 6

Paul Merriman’s Southern 2-8-2 4501 steams from Stearns, Ky., to Chattanooga.

August

Alco diesel-hydraulic units debut.

August 31

Duluth & Northeastern dieselizes.

September

Texas & Pacific acquires control of Kansas, Oklahoma & Gulf and Midland Valley; Oklahoma City-Ada-Atoka sold to Santa Fe.

September 27

CB&Q’s combined Ak-Sar-Ben/Kansas City Zephyr hits Rock Island’s combined Golden State/Corn Belt Rocket, on detour and standing at signal, head-on at Montgomery, Ill., killing 4 and injuring 43.

September 30

CB&Q accepts GE U25B 100, breaking all-EMD status.

October 16

6N&W merges Nickel Plate Road, leases Pittsburgh & West Virginia and Wabash, acquires control of Akron, Canton & Youngstown.

October 17

7Reading runs last steam Ramble.

October 27

B&O shifts Detroit trains from Michigan Central Station back to Fort Street (keeps weekly RDC in MC for three years to fulfill contract).

November 27

Pennsylvania quits Pittsburgh commuter service.

1965

January 3

Maine severed from U.S. passenger network as B&M drops Boston-Portland trains.

February 27

All-steam Buffalo Creek & Gauley quits.

March

John W. Barriger III named president of Missouri-Kansas-Texas.

June 3

EMD introduces 645 model engine.

June 30

MKT goes freight-only.

August 2

FEC resumes state-ordered passenger service.

August 4

Milwaukee Road opens new depot in Milwaukee.

September

Hurricane Betsy takes out 33 miles of L&N New Orleans main; service restored in 21 days.

October 22

Great Northern Stone Arch Bridge in Minneapolis, damaged in Mississippi River flood, returns to service after 6 months, 4 days.

October 31

CN introduces Montreal-Toronto Rapidos.

December

New York Penn Station destruction nearly complete.

December 22

Long Island Rail Road sold by Pennsylvania to state of New York.

1966

January

TRAINS begins John G. Kneiling’s “Professional Iconoclast” column.

February 4

Lucius Beebe dies.

April 4

Reader Railroad dedicates 2-8-0 1702.

May

Nickel Plate Road Historical & Technical Society, first of such genre, formed.

May

EMD produces last 567-engine unit, Houston Belt & Terminal SW1200 33, and delivers first SD45, Great Northern 400 “Hustle Muscle."

July 17

Last Burlington steam excursion, Chicago-Denrock, Ill., with 2-8-2 4960.

July 24

New York Central concludes two days of test running jet-powered RDC in Ohio.

September 3

Last runs of Montreal-New York Montrealer over CN, Central Vermont, New Haven.

September 23

NYC breaks ground on Alfred E. Perlman Yard, Selkirk, N.Y., fifth and last in 12-year program, after Frontier, Robert R. Young, Gateway, and Big Four.

October

Illinois Central orders six GE U30B's, first new non-EMDs in over 25 years.

October 23

CN switches to 24-hour clock.

November 13

60th anniversary of New York Central's New York electrification.

1967

January 3

Chicago South Shore & South Bend control acquired by Chesapeake & Ohio.

February

IC replaces diamond with split-rail logo.

March 22

Jersey Central files for bankruptcy.

March 24

Last run of last “true” Soo Line passenger train, the Winnipeger to St Paul.

April

Great Northern introduces Big Sky Blue livery.

April 30

“Aldene Plan” puts Jersey Central passenger trains into Newark’s Penn Station.

May 23

GO Transit starts Toronto commuter trains.

June

Mississippian dieselizes.

June 12

First Illinois Central Paducah-rebuilt Geep, GP10 8109, outshopped.

July 1

Atlantic Coast Line and Seaboard Air Line merge to form Seaboard Coast Line.

July 11

SP opens 78-mile Palmdale Cutoff.

July 11

Canadian Pacific operates first unit train in Canada, carrying sulphuric acid.

September 1

Steamtown founder F. Nelson Blount dies in plane crash.

September 29

Monon goes freight-only.

October 1

W. Graham Claytor Jr. replaces D.W. Brosnan as president of Southern.

November 22

Erie Lackawanna Elmira, last U.S. commuter ferry, quits in New York.

November 23

Iowa Terminal traction shops in Emery, Ia., burn.

December

Santa Fe FP45s delivered by EMD.

December 3

8Last run of 20th Century Limited.

December 16

Delaware & Hudson buys four Santa Fe Alco PAs.

1968

January

John G. Kneiling, in “True Train” treatise in TRAINS, prophesizes U.S. network of only 50,000 route-miles.

January 17

Santa Fe introduces Super C, a premium Chicago-Los Angeles intermodal train.

February 1

9New York Central and Pennsylvania merge to form Penn Central.

February 21

Last run of SP-RI Golden State.

March 3

Santa Fe marks last use of Alco PAs.

March 8

Last run of Milwaukee’s Copper Country Limited also makes Soo Line freight-only.

April 1

Erie Lackawanna joins N&W’s Dereco.

April 8

Last run of SP Lark.

June 8

PC runs Robert F. Kennedy funeral train, New York-Washington.

July

Canadian Pacific introduces “CP Rail” image.

July 1

Chicago Great Western merged into C&NW.

July 1

D&H joins N&W’s Dereco.

August 31

Tennessee Central ceases operation, portions acquired by IC, L&N, and Southern.

September 1

Magma Arizona dieselizes.

September

Missabe Road introduces new arrowhead emblem.

October 26

Penn Central vacates La Salle Street Station, Chicago, in favor of Union Station.

October 30

First Illinois Central Rent-a-Train.

November 6

Belt Railway of Chicago strike by Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen ends after 101 days.

November 30

Clinchfield 4-4-0 No. 1 restored to service.

December 6

Last steam revenue runs, excluding Silverton branch, operate on D&RGW narrow-gauge, with 2-8-2s 481-473 to Durango, 483 to Alamosa.

December 12

CN begins twice daily Montreal-Toronto TurboTrain service with United Aircraft trainsets.

December 31

Penn Central acquires railroad assets of New Haven.

1969

January 1

Pullman Company ends staffing of sleeping cars.

January

10Last all-new Alco diesel built, Newburgh & South Shore T6 switcher.

January 16

Penn Central begins Metroliner service on (newly named) Northeast Corridor.

March 31

Dwight D. Eisenhower funeral train begins three-day Washington-Abilene (Kans.) journey via C&O-B&O-N&W-UP.

May 10

Promontory centennial celebrated with ex-Virginia & Truckee 4-4-0s.

May 22

Muskingum Electric dedicated in Ohio.

May 31

Last run of T&P Texas Eagle leaves Dallas the largest city without passenger service.

June 6

Chicago & Eastern Illinois control by Missouri Pacific culminated by sale of Evansville line to Louisville & Nashville.

July 1

Piedmont & Northern merged into SCL.

October 8

London & North Eastern 4472 Flying Scotsman begins month-long Boston-Houston tour.

October 20

Alco exits locomotive-building.

November 2

Last run of Southern Belle makes Kansas City Southern freight-only.

Go to the 1970s »

63John5918
Modificato: Feb 26, 2016, 1:38am

>62 vpfluke:

Thanks. Most of the names and places mean little to me, but it's interesting to see the timeline.

Maybe someone can find a similar timeline for UK? Off the top of my head I only know a few dates:

1960: Last BR steam loco built - 2-10-0 9F no 92220 'Evening Star'.

1965: 'Evening Star' retired after just 5 years in service.

1968: Last standard gauge steam on BR (edited to add: I believe it was 4th August 1968) - but a narrow gauge line in Wales, Vale of Rheidol steam railway, continued to run steam under BR ownership.

1971: London Underground withdraws last operational steam locomotives.

Late 1970s / early '80s: National Coal Board withdraws industrial steam locos from its sites.

1980s: Last industrial steam locos probably withdrawn.

1989: Last BR steam ends when the narrow gauge Vale of Rheidol line was privatised, but it still runs steam as a heritage line.

64RobertDay
Feb 25, 2016, 7:05pm

To add to John's timeline:

1971: Hunslet Engine Co., Leeds, builds last steam locomotive for industry (and export).

(It survives in preservation and is back in the UK.)

65John5918
Feb 26, 2016, 1:36am

I suppose we could add 2008 - the first standard gauge main line steam locomotive built in UK since 1960 - A1 Pacific no 60163 'Tornado'!

66RobertDay
Feb 26, 2016, 7:16am

Well, if we're talking about the preservation movement:

1951: Talyllyn Railway (narrow gauge) opens under preservation society.
1960: Bluebell Railway starts first services on ex-BR line taken over by preservationists

67John5918
Lug 21, 2016, 12:32am

J.K. Rowling May Have Saved the Time Train from 'Back to the Future Part III'

I have to confess that even after reading the article I have no real idea what it is all about, but it has J K Rowling and a train in it so I post it in this thread.

68RobertDay
Lug 21, 2016, 5:11am

I suspect it also crossed her mind that the BTTF engine looks nothing like her own concept of the Hogwarts Express, let alone the one used in the films. So Universal had to create a boilerplate Great Western Hall instead.

69John5918
Maggio 29, 2017, 1:49am

‘Harry Potter train’ added to new £10 note

The Scottish tenner that is, not the British one.

70ulmannc
Maggio 29, 2017, 9:40am

>69 John5918: My nephew lives in Glasgow. I'll have to get him to send me one!

71thorold
Maggio 31, 2017, 4:34am

>70 ulmannc: It's difficult to resist the temptation to make a bad joke about Scots and money there...

>69 John5918: Surprising, really, that they haven't yet worked out a way to animate the image of the train on the banknote.
Getting the train (or Sir Walter) to produce actual smoke when you take the note out of your wallet would be even more Harry-Potterish, but I don't suppose it's very practical...

72John5918
Maggio 31, 2017, 4:39am

>71 thorold:

Maybe they could at least have one of those scratch scent thingies so it smells like a steam engine?