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1belleyang
mdochoda--I started this thread in reply to your fears for your boys. I've wondered whether it's much harder for boys and young men of Asian descent to cope in an non-Asian community.
I'm inclined to think it depends on the individual. I have boy cousins who have little trouble with their identity and I have one who is having major problems. The latter would have trouble in Taiwan among his peers, so I can't blame his minority status.
I must say the Chinese are quite prejudicial themselves, not only of foreigners, but of people from different provinces. It gets quite funny how badly "other" provinces are maligned.
As for myself, I lived in a community where Asians of any stripe was rare. I was teased in junior high school, but what child doesn't get teased as teens? I remember a boy called me chink for nearly half a month until I cornered him on the school bus and punched him in the nose. Not a solution I would recommend, but then the boy kept a good 10 foot distance away from me. When we were both in college, we ran into one another in a restaurant, and we laughed without saying further words.
If a stranger lobs racial slurs at me today, I just think they are not right in the head.
One of my girlfriends adopted two children from Thailand, a boy and a girl. She did have trouble raising them because the children's birth mother was a drug addict and had done damage in the womb.
I'm inclined to think it depends on the individual. I have boy cousins who have little trouble with their identity and I have one who is having major problems. The latter would have trouble in Taiwan among his peers, so I can't blame his minority status.
I must say the Chinese are quite prejudicial themselves, not only of foreigners, but of people from different provinces. It gets quite funny how badly "other" provinces are maligned.
As for myself, I lived in a community where Asians of any stripe was rare. I was teased in junior high school, but what child doesn't get teased as teens? I remember a boy called me chink for nearly half a month until I cornered him on the school bus and punched him in the nose. Not a solution I would recommend, but then the boy kept a good 10 foot distance away from me. When we were both in college, we ran into one another in a restaurant, and we laughed without saying further words.
If a stranger lobs racial slurs at me today, I just think they are not right in the head.
One of my girlfriends adopted two children from Thailand, a boy and a girl. She did have trouble raising them because the children's birth mother was a drug addict and had done damage in the womb.
2JNagarya
"I must say the Chinese are quite prejudicial themselves, not only of foreigners, but of people from different provinces. It gets quite funny how badly "other" provinces are maligned."
That is true, and can be quite infuriating to a non-Chinese who has been a civil rights activist for over fifty years.
What tends to more disturb, though, is the "racism" between different Asian peoples -- Northern Chinese considering Southern Chinese a different "race," and therefore "inferior," and the reverse. Japan considering non-Japanese Asian peoples to be different "races," and "inferior"; Koreans considering non-Korean Asian peoples to be different "races," and "inferior". I can only imagine how much worse their view of peoples who are of the two non-Asian races.
That is true, and can be quite infuriating to a non-Chinese who has been a civil rights activist for over fifty years.
What tends to more disturb, though, is the "racism" between different Asian peoples -- Northern Chinese considering Southern Chinese a different "race," and therefore "inferior," and the reverse. Japan considering non-Japanese Asian peoples to be different "races," and "inferior"; Koreans considering non-Korean Asian peoples to be different "races," and "inferior". I can only imagine how much worse their view of peoples who are of the two non-Asian races.
3mvrdrk
I don't think the regionalism in Chinese culture is any better or worse than it is anywhere else. The statements I hear between the north and the south is more regional culturalism and stereotypes than it is about "race." Silly stuff like "northerns are all stupid but honest" or "southerns are dishonest but boy do they know how to make money." I don't see race, specifically, coming into play in those prejudices much.
Besides, you should hear New Englanders talking about American Southerners, or Mets fans talking about Yankees fans! LOL!
Personally, I think "racism" in China is going to take a very different path from western nations. China is in the midst of a decade long "We love Africa" media campaign, certain minority groups get blanket exemptions from the one child laws, etc. It's going to be really interesting to watch things evolve over there.
As far as differences between different peoples ... northern and southern groups of Chinese are historically from very different tribes. You actually have to break it down much finer than northern and southern, as I'm just now learning.
If I recall correctly, the Ainu in Japan are different from the majority population there, too. You can trace the genetics through the genographic project the National Geographic Society is involved in. It's very interesting.
Edited to fix name of the NatGeo project.
Besides, you should hear New Englanders talking about American Southerners, or Mets fans talking about Yankees fans! LOL!
Personally, I think "racism" in China is going to take a very different path from western nations. China is in the midst of a decade long "We love Africa" media campaign, certain minority groups get blanket exemptions from the one child laws, etc. It's going to be really interesting to watch things evolve over there.
As far as differences between different peoples ... northern and southern groups of Chinese are historically from very different tribes. You actually have to break it down much finer than northern and southern, as I'm just now learning.
If I recall correctly, the Ainu in Japan are different from the majority population there, too. You can trace the genetics through the genographic project the National Geographic Society is involved in. It's very interesting.
Edited to fix name of the NatGeo project.
4JNagarya
#3 --
"I don't think the regionalism in Chinese culture is any better or worse than it is anywhere else."
I didn't say it was. But as this group is about China, it wouldn't be on topic to point to the discriminations based upon degrees of color among Italians, or African-Americans, or -- also -- among Caucasians.
"The statements I hear between the north and the south is more regional culturalism and stereotypes than it is about 'race.i"
That's what I said. The point I'm making is that among Chinese the "differences" between Northern and Southern Chinese is expressly said to be -- in both directions -- "racial".
"Silly stuff like 'northerns are all stupid but honest' or 'southerns are dishonest but boy do they know how to make money.' I don't see race, specifically, coming into play in those prejudices much."
That's what I said -- except that I said there is no actual racial difference between the two. Both are subsets of the race Mongoloid ("Asian").
"Besides, you should hear New Englanders talking about American Southerners, or Mets fans talking about Yankees fans! LOL!"
I'm a New Englander. And what New Englanders say about Southerners isn't stated in terms of race. That's the difference.
"Personally, I think 'racism' in China is going to take a very different path from western nations."
It already has, which is the point I made. Different Italian groups, as example, don't refer to each other as "races" different than themselves.
"China is in the midst of a decade long 'We love Africa' media campaign, certain minority groups get blanket exemptions from the one child laws, etc. It's going to be really interesting to watch things evolve over there."
That being, of course, racist.
"As far as differences between different peoples ... northern and southern groups of Chinese are historically from very different tribes. You actually have to break it down much finer than northern and southern, as I'm just now learning."
Of course. And yet those different tribes are within the same race: Mongoloid ("Asian").
"If I recall correctly, the Ainu in Japan are different from the majority population there, too. You can trace the genetics through the human genome project the National Geographic Society is involved in. It's very interesting."
Yes. But that Japanese group is not of a different race than other Japanese, whether as a whole, or based upon different groupings.
It's a cultural/ethnic supremacism -- a kind of "pulling rank". Other peoples on the planet play the same game -- Irish claiming to be a "race," especially as compared with the British. Jews claiming to be a "race," especially as compared with the other Semitic -- Arab -- tribes.
The underlying problem, of course, is tribalism.
"I don't think the regionalism in Chinese culture is any better or worse than it is anywhere else."
I didn't say it was. But as this group is about China, it wouldn't be on topic to point to the discriminations based upon degrees of color among Italians, or African-Americans, or -- also -- among Caucasians.
"The statements I hear between the north and the south is more regional culturalism and stereotypes than it is about 'race.i"
That's what I said. The point I'm making is that among Chinese the "differences" between Northern and Southern Chinese is expressly said to be -- in both directions -- "racial".
"Silly stuff like 'northerns are all stupid but honest' or 'southerns are dishonest but boy do they know how to make money.' I don't see race, specifically, coming into play in those prejudices much."
That's what I said -- except that I said there is no actual racial difference between the two. Both are subsets of the race Mongoloid ("Asian").
"Besides, you should hear New Englanders talking about American Southerners, or Mets fans talking about Yankees fans! LOL!"
I'm a New Englander. And what New Englanders say about Southerners isn't stated in terms of race. That's the difference.
"Personally, I think 'racism' in China is going to take a very different path from western nations."
It already has, which is the point I made. Different Italian groups, as example, don't refer to each other as "races" different than themselves.
"China is in the midst of a decade long 'We love Africa' media campaign, certain minority groups get blanket exemptions from the one child laws, etc. It's going to be really interesting to watch things evolve over there."
That being, of course, racist.
"As far as differences between different peoples ... northern and southern groups of Chinese are historically from very different tribes. You actually have to break it down much finer than northern and southern, as I'm just now learning."
Of course. And yet those different tribes are within the same race: Mongoloid ("Asian").
"If I recall correctly, the Ainu in Japan are different from the majority population there, too. You can trace the genetics through the human genome project the National Geographic Society is involved in. It's very interesting."
Yes. But that Japanese group is not of a different race than other Japanese, whether as a whole, or based upon different groupings.
It's a cultural/ethnic supremacism -- a kind of "pulling rank". Other peoples on the planet play the same game -- Irish claiming to be a "race," especially as compared with the British. Jews claiming to be a "race," especially as compared with the other Semitic -- Arab -- tribes.
The underlying problem, of course, is tribalism.
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